Another Craig Proctor Call
Well…we got another email from Craig Proctor for a conference call today about our favorite topic: real estate websites. Craig’s email topic of the day was “The Biggest Mistakes Agents Make With Their Websites and How You Can Avoid Them.” Instead of the nauseating “my life is great after Craig” mantra, I was pleasantly surprised to learn some tidbits of actual strategies used in Craig’s system.
The basic website strategy Craig proposes is one that is certainly not new or difficult in the marketing world, but he has packaged it in a system that claims to be easy and automatic for real estate agents to use. It is a stealth marketing strategy that has been widely used in many industries and could also be used in other media outlets such as direct mail. Craig’s system proposes that you purchase several domain names that are easy to remember and are related to a specific real estate strategy; for example, the agents on the call claim one of the most successful ad campaigns is anything related to foreclosures, distress sales, repos, etc. So, they would buy a domain name such as www.MyCityForeclosures.com, put Craig’s template site up, run ads in the newspaper giving the website name and a blurb about getting a free list of available foreclosures in the area… and kazam, they have instant email leads from folks wanting to buy foreclosures. The same strategies are used to capture other niches such as first-time buyers, relocation sales, and more. More details on Craig’s system of using ads to drive traffic to a website can be found at www.craigproctorcoaching.com/training.php.
One of our favorite marketing gurus, Jay Abraham, has promoted stealth marketing concepts for years. Jim and I have always been fans of using a well-rounded marketing plan that includes different types of lead-capture plans. In addition to a great website, your plan may include direct mail farming, cold calling, print advertising, agent-to-agent marketing, and more. The important thing is to determine which strategies work best for you in your particular market and which strategies offer the best return on your marketing dollar.
I’d have to say, however, that Craig has clearly missed the biggest mistake of all when it comes to real estate agent websites, and that is using websites that cannot be found on the internet (without having to advertise the actual domain name that users have to manually type in their browsers). In fact, the only way one of Craig’s sites can be found is through outside and constant advertising of the actual domain name. His sites are far from search-engine friendly and they all are plain-jane, identical, templated sites with very little valuable information for the user – valuable information or reports are promised to the user, however, if they submit their personal contact information.
If the only purpose of a particular website is for stealth marketing purposes, however, then it isn’t too important if it can’t be found in the search engines as long as the cost to continually maintain and advertise the domain allows you to reap great profits. So if anyone happens to spend the big bucks on Craig’s system and has outstanding success, please let us know. Just remember that with almost 80% of real estate buyers and more sellers every day beginning their search on the internet (not the newspaper classifieds), it is critical to have a great website that can be found easily in a search and one that does not upset the ever-changing algorithms of our friends at Google, Yahoo, MSN, and other search engine companies.
Isn’t Craig tied into someone that provides web site services?
September 14th, 2006 at 8:17 amCraig is tied to all of the vendors that he promotes. I would bet he makes more selling his systems and the products needed for his systems then he does selling real estate.
September 14th, 2006 at 9:19 amHere’s the problem with Craig’s scheme of placing “steath” ads and capturing leads…..people who have enough money to buy Real Estate are usually not dumb ! This “Stealth” marketing doesn’t work very well in areas where people are bombarded all the time with sales pitches and have become wise to them. This may work in some remote areas, but in Metro-areas the people who are reading the papers aren’t falling for it. I know, I ran the ads in the program, nothing. Maybe up in Canada it works like a charm,(no offense, that’s just where Craig Proctor is an agent ) but the East coast wasn’t biting. And what good is capturing leads thru “stealth ads” when the jig is up when you do finally call them !, do you think they’re going to be happy you “tricked” them, or upset. In our area it’s also against NAR rules to run a stealth ad. The brokers Name, address and phone have to appear in the ad. I think this kind of marketing stategy just ads to the bad rep Realtors have already.
January 18th, 2007 at 6:24 pmI see some misconceptions and myths here. First of all, the 80% number, that keeps being touted has been around for something going on 4 or 5 years. I think it’s safe to say, nearly 90+% of the buyers will go online at some point during their search. I applaud the blogger for realizing a NET only strategy is a recipe for disaster without the absolute best system in place.
Secondly, Jay Abraham and Dan Kennedy are actually credited by Craig Proctor as “helpers” in the creation of his marketing ideas. It’s about the Unique Selling Proposition and not about stealth ads driving a website.
The website is simply a tool used in the conversion of the ads. You could also use a 1800 number, or even some sort of text message thing (never seen it, but I’m sure it’s around the corner).
Finally, (I have one point to ken, after this) I would like to comment, that the majority of website out there are peddling the MLS to obtain information from clients. After all, a website is a waste of money if it is not providing leads. Craig’s system is peddling something that will still be available even if the MLS were to go completely public… that’s reports, expertise and information - whether you agree with the cheesiness of the reports or not.
To KEN: You probably should keep the comments to yourself if you haven’t done any research on the subject. As Realtors, there is the unfortunate trend to drink too much “HATERADE” when someone else is successful.
Truth be told, there are thousands of different systems and coaches out there and the real estate game is an easy one. Any of those systems can and will be successful, but only 20% of the people out there are going to have success with them.
Craig and many others out there know this. They can sell their stuff till the cows come home and still have a handful of new success stories every year while the masses consume their products try it out and then give it up.
It’s the same with internet leads. Personally, I have trained over 5 people in the past year and half to handle internet leads and they all wanted to go on to greener pastures and do it themselves. At last count, I was still the only working and converting the leads.
…. Sorry to ramble so long, but I don’t think being critical without offerring a full analysis on a system is very helpful at all. The post seemed to be somewhat self serving “stealth” commercial to buy internet services.
Thanks for the great site…. Hope the brutal honesty doesn’t offend.
February 7th, 2007 at 6:40 amI don’t think it’s Canadian vs American as perhaps big city/small town or perhaps level of sophisitication, I can’t see people in my area answering the ads - who reads classifieds, anyway? or call a toll free number - you know it’s a sales pitch of some sort. However, I think the important thing is the focus on collecting leads - the gist of the Craig Proctor pitch makes sense - just ignore all his pitches to buy his expensive stuff.
February 21st, 2007 at 3:38 pmJosh,
I have the Craig Proctor system. I did try it. I’m not an ignorant person. As a matter of fact I can boast a 138 I.Q. I’ve been in sales and marketing my entire life, and Real Estate the last 10 years. I know when I’ve purchased a lemon. If you have this program and it worked for you that’s great. Most of what I saw was information, upon information, upon information on how great all the other systems I also needed to buy from Craig are. I did try the ads for 6 months. 1 response. I tried many of the programs. Some of them were just silly in my opinion. I’m in a pretty savy area, these people are making good money and aren’t falling for any of these parlor tricks of Craigs. Sorry, that’s my opinion after buying and using the system. And I don’t think people are investing $800 in this expecting they will need to invest thousands more in web sites and coaching as well down the road for this system to truely work. However what you are saying is right. This system or any other CAN work if you work you behind off using it. However I bet you’d do just as well if not better working your behind off without giving this guy all you hard earned money. The sales pitch for this program was that you didn’t have to work hard to earn six figures. I’m sorry, the only person I see making 6 figures without working hard is the person selling this system.
February 21st, 2007 at 4:34 pmKen,
I really appreciate your being a good sport about this (here and on the other post). And thanks for not resorting to the “childish” and moronic comments like some of the Proctor fans.
I actually enjoy reading your posts. I find them insightful, intelligent, and funny.
Thanks!
March 8th, 2007 at 11:38 pmKen,
In response to your latest post.
I used the word ignorant to mean “lack of knowledge” not “lack of intelligence.” You’re somewhat articulate.=)
Personally, I have also tried the Craig Proctor system and I have seen it work. I think certain things work for people and others don’t. I don’t think it’s helpful to other agents to “bash” a system without pointing out the real good and bad of this system.
To me, it sounds like you (KEN) have a sour taste in your mouth because you had a bad experience with it and kept the system past the return period.
Finally, (before I get into a snapshot review) all “systems” require work. There is no magic pill. I find it interesting (not referring to your post here, ken) that many of the items Craig teaches are the same kinds of things that could be found by reading the Millionare Real Estate Agent by Gary Keller.
Ok, brief review for those who are interested.
Good
1. The ads works, but the medium might not (you may have to try SEVERAL papers/websites/mailers)
2. Everything in the system is pretty turnkey
3. There is a great deal of honesty hidden in the sales pitches, you do have to listen though
4. There are people that will help you with the system (no charge)
5. There’s enough powerful ideas that it’s worth the purchase if one doesn’t pan out.
6. There is someone in your area using this system to be successful.
Bad
1. The biggest thing for me is that Craig uses the same techniques tht he is trying to teach you, ON YOU, to get you to buy more stuff, or use his service reps.
2. The process for success is pretty specific. Deviation from it is almost guaranteed not to work.
3. With the constant sales pitches you always feel like you might miss something.
4. Many of the great ideas are actually sales pitches for other services. Many of the services are good but not great.
5. While the ideas and systems are clearly laid out. The repetition, large type of the materials and additional sales pitches hidden inside make it feel cheap.
Then again, what do you expect for a supposed multi-million dollar system that only cost $800.
Bottomline: You get what you pay for and you get what you put into a system. Here it’s well worth the money, but it’s not a magic pill or life saver, at least if you only try it for 6 months.
March 9th, 2007 at 3:21 amAdd these to the “bad” list, it relies on systems that are VERY outdated.
The website screams “I am a salesperson”, not I am here to help you. The consumer has been seeing the same crap on spammers sites and get rich quick sites now for a decade and they are to smart for crap like that these days.
Classifieds don’t work in most markets. You aren’t going to find many people going to a newspaper to find their next home.
Next it is very expensive to run the system. Between the postcards, classifieds, website, VM system, and everything else you would need a marketing budget that isn’t realistic for most agents. And as you pointed out “2. The process for success is pretty specific. Deviation from it is almost guaranteed not to work.” you need to follow the whole system or you will not get the desired results.
Now the funniest thing in your post is “Craig teaches are the same kinds of things that could be found by reading the Millionare Real Estate Agent by Gary Keller.” If that is the case why not learn it from a $20 book instead of a system that is close to a grand???
March 9th, 2007 at 8:49 amken you are killing me. craigs system is not outdated. its being used right now! today. In one of the biggest metro areas in the nation Los Angeles who is more savvy then these people. There is a way to follow up with a stealth website that is very easy to do. you tried to do the system on your own obviously. You should have been one of the people who took his coaching program then you would probably “get it” instead you want to tear down a system that is generating a 7 figure income for many agents. who else has a system that does that? who else is teaching a system that they are still doing and selling that many home? by the way have you read million real estate agent? the #1 Keller Williams agent in the world Jim Striegeil does craig proctor and the book is a vague templete for the same type business. Craig just puts it together for you. And craig doesnt try to sell you anything he is not already using. It almost sounds like your mad because he is so successful? nothing is the magic pill you have to work at what ever you have if you were giving a macdonalds franchise would you take there training or try to do it yourself like Ken? which way do you think would be successful?
March 12th, 2007 at 1:43 pmI do not own the system but talked to enough people who have the system and been succesful with it. Do you need to spend at least 5 grand a month in PPC and direct mail? yes. Does it work? It entirely and entirely depends on your over the phone and in front of the customer sales pitch ability under 30 seconds. If you are good at that you are a millionaire if you are not good at it you just wasted 5 grand a month.
March 12th, 2007 at 6:34 pmKen,
I’m wondering what market are you in? To say that classifieds don’t work would be something of a surprise to me. Certainly, there is a shift, there has been for many years, but the internet is not the end all be all.
Also, VERY expensive to run the system?! Not sure what budget you are on to be able to spend so little. It’s $100 to run an eye catching classified in our largest paper here. If I did that every week that’d be $100 a week.
Compared to internet SEO of roughly $200 for a few key words with no real guarantee over teh life of the site. You could do it yourself, but then you’d be doing something that’s not worth what you’re worth…
The systems he has in place are 2 $30 hotlines ($60/month) a templated website (on the high end of 150, but could be as low as $60/mo) and some various other vendors. Most of the stuff he offers has a guarantee associated with it, 60 days of the free website. I would just create the landing pages then drive traffic there personally, but the other stuff is actually useful. It’s also competitive (I don’t use his hotlines I use Arch Telecom).
I agree with Frank, sounds to me like you bought it but didn’t try to follow it at all. I’ve been doing it for a while and every “failure” of the system was something I did that I thought would be better, but wasn’t.
It’s not for everyone but can work. I only continue to repost because I think a balanced discussion is what is good for the people reading about it. It’s the equivalent of me saying that SEO is such a scam, without going in depth to explain why some SEO works and while others (works) is a waste of time for Realtors.
March 13th, 2007 at 7:34 amGood call Joshua you hit the nail right on the head. Arch is a good company. since I am doing proctor I want to duplicate his results to the letter.
March 13th, 2007 at 1:58 pmMarket is Chicago and $100 wouldn’t get you 3 lines in any paper in our market for 3 days. One week for 3 lines which isn’t enough to fit anything of value considering you have to have your brokerage listed and that is one line.
I spent thousands on ads, postcards, Arch and other things Craig suggested. Not one deal could be traced to the efforts.
If the system is working for you that is great. But there is no reason to say that others don’t know what they are doing (or that we are lazy) just because the system doesn’t work for them.
March 13th, 2007 at 3:38 pmKen,
Not sure if you meant to say it, but Arch Telecom is a company that Craig does NOT recommend. I am using it to be cheap since I’m still in the early stages of using his system.
We’re suggesting negative things about you Ken, because if you really did give the system a try you would have different comments.
Your comments sound like any agent who have “heard” of the system or just skimmed over the material, but not implemented it.
Comments like, “Maybe up in Canada, … East Coast wasn’t biting…”
I’m in Atlanta, keep the comments to yourself. There are at least 4 competitors in my county alone, all of whom are using the system and doing quite well. Only one of them is a superstar, but all them are doing business in the top 3% of the area.
I did have to try different papers at first and different mediums, not every paper is going to work. Craig actually tells you, TEST IT!
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What I think has happened (because I can relate) is that you Ken are spoiled by internet leads. You can get them in droves relatively easily. You can spend more money to get more and you don’t have to be very good to make a decent living at it. In fact, you can utilize automatic e-mail campaigns and other things and never pick up the phone (until it’s time) and still close deals. I know I’ve been spoiled that way for 5 years now.
I want a more balanced business than all internet and referrals, so I decided to try the CP system. I’m following it as close as I can to give it the proper evaluation.
I’ll agree in part to how the whole sales pitch comes off, but I think AS sales people were are bias to these types of things.
Again, my reason for posting is to get in depth, point and counter point on this system since it seems your posts were lacking necessary information.
What’s interesting that if you were to post what you did and your results, it would be pretty obvious that it was your execution of the system itself not the system. Again, not meant to be an attack. Some people aren’t interested in that type marketing. I have no interest in FSBOs, but prospecting them works.
Good Posts All.
March 13th, 2007 at 5:50 pmJoshua
Good POST! I couldnt have said it better myself. How long have you been doing proctors system? How long have you been in real estate? Are you going to the next conference in dallas. I heard its going to be the BIGGEST AND BEST. I am bringing half my team for trainig. Talk to yoiu soon.
March 15th, 2007 at 9:01 amJoshua et all,
Here in lies the problem for me. Several of you have said that $800 for this system is cheap. First off, $800 is not cheap, I don’t believe their is any other Real Estate marketing system that approaches this price. Suggesting that “if you purchased a McDonald’s franchise wouldn’t you use their training and learn how to make it work” is fair. But I doubt McDonald’s charges thousands of dollars for their franchise owners to learn how to run a McDonald’s. In my opinion this system is marketed as a turn-key “formula” to make it in Real Estate. ( at least that was my perception ) If it was advertised as a blue print on how to use all the other things you have to pay for ( web site, coaching, 800 lines ( which I like by the way) ,etc., then that would be fine. But they don’t do that. I thought, and I’m sure other’s thought, that if I shelled out the $800 and really worked the system I would have success. However your own posts are saying that without the coaching for instance, you really didn’t give it a fair shot. What if you don’t have that kind of cash to pay thousands of dollars for coaching? Is the system useless? One person commented that if you only gave it 6 months you really didn’t work it long enough. My thought would be that if 6 months isn’t enough time then how is a 60 day money back guarantee such a great deal? Does anyone know of a book, or some other program that really concentrates on working your sphere of infuence? I think I’m missing the boat in this area. It seems to me that almost every agent I talk to that is a “player” in my market gets 70% of their business from referrals. My suceess rate on walking out with the listing when I get the appointment is easilly 90%. I do spend a ton of money advertising my listings, ( T.V., newspaper, internet, Realtor.com, virtual tours, 800 lines, broadcast e-mail to other agents, full color professonal brochures etc. I would venture to say easilly spend 4x what most other agents offer. ) So I get almost every listing I go on, and my success rate of selling my listings is also very high. Yet I don’t get near the number of appointments as the top producers. It kills me to see how professionally I market my properties, what a good rapour I almost always have with my clients, and see other agent with many more listings than me because they were referred by a friend, etc. It seems pretty obvious that most people list their home to sell with a friend or someone they know. I’ve got to learn how to work this area much better. Any ideas?
April 25th, 2007 at 7:32 amThanks everyone.
Ken, Joshua, and Frank,
The topic of this post is about Craig’s call titled “The Biggest Mistakes Agents Make With Their Websites and How You Can Avoid Them.” Please confine your comments to the topic.
For general chit chat and comments not related to the topic please post in the forum.
Thanks!
April 25th, 2007 at 8:39 amHello All,
I am a realtor working in a large metropolitan area and I haven’t had much luck with getting leads from my website. I tried everything. I tried branding, unbranding. I tried offering reports from direct response ads on the unbranded and branded sites. Still nothing. I decided to try the 60 day free trial Craig offers with his system to see if I can get better results. I think an overwhelming issue is that consumers don’t like coughing up their information on the web, whether they know who you are or not. For many, going on the web is the stage at which they are just putting their feelers out and they aren’t ready for contact. I will be interested to see if Craig’s sites compel buyers to offer up the information more frequently.
As an aside, I was a MAJOR skeptic about Craig Proctor’s system. It took me roughly 2 months of research, reading blogs, etc. to finally decide whether to do it. I finally bit the bullet and bought it. So, far it has not disappointed. As a brand spanking new agent one of my greatest challenges was lead generation. I tried the self-image ads, spent thousands on postcards, newsletters, print ads and crap and got few if any responses. I had the website, I had my own hotlines, I had the free reports, but I can tell from experience that you it doesn’t mean anything if you’re not marketing them in the right way. I ran three Craig-designed ad for the first time two weeks ago and I got about 15 leads (this is in TOUGH, large metropolitan area market where there is tons of competition). I followed-up using the scripts - (sometimes I didn’t get all the way through the scripts but I guess that comes with practice). I signed three buyers to 6-month buyer agency agreements this past weekend and they’ve already referred me to friends because of my level of service. That is literally in two weeks. Not bad. My ads cost less than $300 bucks total. My hotline is through another company, not Craig’s network. I had to record my own scripts but I pay a fraction of the price for the same service. But the leads just dripped in. I was amazed everytime my cellphone alert went off.
So far, Craig’s system is great for, what I have learned is the most important aspect of marketing as a new agent which is not self-imaging or positioning yourself as the market leader rather LEAD GENERATION. I am not disappointed. If I close these buyers, the system will have paid for itself about 30 times over given my potential commission from these buyers. I feel like, particularly as a new agent, that I’m starting to turn a corner and I’ve made all of my stupid mistakes in under a year. I consider Craig’s sytem my ONLY good investment so far. If I could turn back the clock, I’d have done this from day one. I’d be much further ahead.
June 3rd, 2007 at 11:47 amI did purchase Craig Proctor’s system, and felt it was worthwhile in that it galvanized us in to action. However, I do feel that the price of $800 is a lot for a “system” that consists of 7 poorly written and poorly presented reports that contain inforamtion available for free all over the web.
What I resent the most is paying $800 for what I thought was a complete system and then finding out that everything is a la carte. PLUS, I paid $800 for “coaching” that is obviously a canned speach and the only one that Craig is actually present at certainly sounded like staged questions. On these so called conference calls one is exhorted to buy more and more products.
The guarantee to purchase a home is a great idea, although not new, but not useful in my area where a fixer upper costs $800,000. We did set up domains, but “flying” under the radar is against real estate law here. No useful response to our classifieds.
However, we did develop our own postcards and ads based on some of the CP principles with reasonable success in numbers but we will hae to see who converts. However, the principles aren’t really Craig’s and I really didn’t need to spend $800 - my advice is just attend the seminar.
I am offended by the constant attempt to sell me more stuff and the empty promises of coaching (big extra $$$$$ per month), coaching that was simply another venue to sell more stuff.
June 4th, 2007 at 11:35 amHi all, I have been reading this and another blog about how Craig lied or something and thought I would add my 1.5 cents. First of all I have been a member of this group for months now but don’t come here often, Having said that I have contributed from time to time so I am no spammer or flunky for Craig. I am however Canadian so maybe I am his brother lol. I have in the past used his sytem and websites for extended periods and had some decent results. The system is great at genrating leads if you do as your told and do not think you know more then he about DRM (direct response marketing) because you don’t. Craig has paid top dollar for the best in the world to teach, train and package the system that he call the quantum leap system. That said I believe the least effective component of this system is the success websites. They are far to costly and quite frankly if you are dying to have one then contact me and I will tell you of several other companies that can provide it for half the price or less. The websites WILL NOT PLACE HIGH ON SEARCH ENGINES!!!! If this is your goal forget it, but if you promote them locally with th right ads they can be awsome. So it really depends on the path you want to take. Best of luck to all and if you have any questions about Craig or his products just drop me a line sometime, Cheers.
June 9th, 2007 at 5:30 amI have been reading CP websites and listing to all his information about the ql system. I am on the fense, and I am still researching him out. I just started doing Real Estate full time and I am looking for systems to use. Any one in Colorado that is using CP system successfully?
June 18th, 2007 at 8:26 pmI just purchased the Craig Proctor System. I recently moved from a large metro area to a small rural area. I know of several (mostly KW) agents that have used this system and had a decent amount of success from it. My first ads run this weekend. I’ll admit though, that the phone calls I have listened in on during the past week have seemed more like sales pitches to me than a learning opproutnity. But that could be because of his big conference coming up in Denver next month.
Has anyone here used it in a small market and had success?
John-Yes I do know some Colorado agents using this system. What market are you in?
June 19th, 2007 at 8:08 pmKeep in mind that the $800 is only the start. It is far from a complete “system”. Listen in on a couple of his online “seminars” and see what you think. If you visit his website, somewhere on there it tells you when and where or perhpas you need to register first. You will then be able to make a better assessment. They are pretty well all the same excspt that they try to sell you different things - even after you’ve paid the 800.
June 19th, 2007 at 9:17 pmLaci,
June 20th, 2007 at 6:09 amthere is an agent in Penticton in the BC Okanagon that has used the system with reasonable success. You will find all the calls are sales pitches and not a learning experience - they are not live but taped. You never have an opportuity to ask questions. There is no coaching unless you pay for it.
Actually the $800 is the complete system. You will pay more to implement some of the programs ie. websites, IVR lines etc. but the system itself is what you get for $800. The calls are taped but once you buy the system and become a member their is one call a week that is live. Much of the call is a rah rah story about how some people have gone from rags to riches. There are some tidbits if you have the system and how to use parts of it. You can ask questions but it is limited and there are many callers so who knows whether yours will get on. Everything is a pitch from coaching to the websites but it all can and does work but you need to go slow and do it one step at a time or you will go broke. Their are other vendors other then the ones Craig endorses that will do things more reasonably but Craigs suppliers have benn doing it for many years. In the end many of the top producing teams in the country have or are following many of his and other similar coaches teachings, so for what its worth good luck and do your best and do the follow up.
June 20th, 2007 at 4:42 pmJust to clarify a few things The agent I believe you are referring to in Penticton is Gil Szabo. He is a great guy. I have actually been interviewed by Craig on those seminar calls Which are Live. He may replay some of them. But I have done many LIVE calls. If you doubt the quantum leap system is a complete system I would like a chance to go over what you have to make sure you have “the complete system” I have done alot of research which is how I happenned along Craigs system. As far as Coaching Craig HAS NEVER Pitched Coaching on his Phone calls. He has actually said to me “we are talking about the listing presentation on this call so lets keep it focused and not get off the subject”. Any money you spend on his system is no more then you would spend just doing your own real estate business, such as websites 800 number contact management (which I got for free in my area) news paperads. He just shows you where to spend your money to where you actually get people to CALL YOU. I advertise in my local paper the dailey news. I can spend anywhere between 50-1800 for a one day ad that I get no calls on. If I take that money and put craigs system behind it I can and have gotten MANY MANY Leads. I do agree with one thing that regardless what system you use if you dont implement it correctly you can go broke on ANY SYSTEM. Also Craig only indorses the vendors HE actually uses. you wont see Two website companies, two contact management companies. his system is about duplicating his success which is 100% possible to do. If you have tried and failed, I can propably tell you why if you want to contact me. On a side note I actually WENT to his office. I bought his system and joined coaching. but I have always wondered, I got there and he wasant there. But I got to see his office and let me tell you ITS THE REAL THING. he is actually doing it selling houses TODAY USING THE same system he is offering to everyone else. I got a chance to drive around newmarket ontario and let me tell you if he can do it there! I would bet it can be done any where. As far as a disclaimer I am part of his coaching program and I am not and have not ever been paid by Craig Proctor for anything I have actually paid him alot of money to train/coach me which is 100% worth it. I dont have a rags to riches story. I have always done at worst in Real Estate making 6 figures. The difference is I never had any time. I have made mistakes with his system like I think everyone does with any system thats why I can tell other people who have not done well, WHY. I owe Craig alot because of his sytem it gave me my TIME back. I have control over my time and my life now. I choose when I work NOT my clients. It is June 23rd and this year I have taken off 1.5 months of work for vacations and I am in the 6 figures as far as income goes this year. To Me being able to do that IS PRICELESS. Please if you have any questions regarding his system I welcome you to contact me.
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:35 pmI am sure that Craig Proctor does work in some areas. BUT, the point is that the $800 initial investment is hardly the complete system that it is touted as being at the free semeinars. And we were given the impression that there were conference calls where one was lead to believe that there would be discussions. These are not “live”. There is one call a week at which Craig Proctor is live at the end of it. Hoiw do I know this? I called and asked. I was irritated by the long so called conference calls that were nothing more than sales pitches for what I needed to get to make this system work. I asked his asistant and she confirmed the calls were not live except at the end of the Thursday one. The questions on that appeared staged to me.
After the free seminar in our are the papers were full of CP classifieds - in fact that is almost all there was. What’s the point in that? They have all disappeared now so assume people have stopped wasting their money. CP is like any system - you need to spend money on promotion to make it work. I did my own postcards as I have too many CP style dropped at my house and had a great responese with my own version - now I have to work on converting them. Respnse rate was just over 1% which for unadressed admail is a good rate.
What annoys me with Craig Proctor system is the deception. Be up front and say this will cost you x dollars per month to implement effectively. For many realtors, all those extra monthly costs and advertising costs,etc are just not feasible. Mind you I must say that it is brilliant marketing on his part for his system although |I feel it is very disrespectful of the time and intelligence of the people who have purchased his system.
June 25th, 2007 at 1:02 amHere we go again I did say he may replay some of them. But they are live if you would like I will let you know if and when I am on a live call again if you dont believe me so you can listen. If you have the system and need help call me I will assist you. I run the postcards that he has and typically get a 1.5 to 2% return easily. You can feasibly implement the system with great success by going to the half day seminar in my opinion. There is no deception with his program. No more then when you run a property ad to pick up buyers for another property or sit an open house to pick up buyers for another property. I mean really. How can you say any system will cost you X amount of dollars? everyperson is different every area is different and people are not going to run the same amount of ads Or in my case I am doing very well AND I AM NOT ADVERTISING AT ALL. that is how good his system is for me. Roberta, its not the system. If you are having trouble call me let me help you many people have it working for them you can to.
June 25th, 2007 at 9:08 amJohn there are a couple of agents having MASSIVE success with his system in that area. if you would like I can point them out for you.
June 25th, 2007 at 9:10 amThanks! I am going to a Cp day seminar in my area this week. I statred my ads Sunday, and guess how many calls I have had??!!! 0, thats right ZERO!!!
June 25th, 2007 at 1:12 pmA bit disappointed, but we’ll see what the rest of the week brings. I know that with any system, you need to follow it to make it work, so I am willing to try. Like I said, I am in a new area, so this seems to be at least an inexpensive way to get me in front of new clients. Als long as I get some phone calls anyway.
Frank, you can contact me at John at Casarealestate net
June 25th, 2007 at 3:14 pmIn reference to having a web page for each address for a listing, I have had great success with my “storybook” presentations and moving stills, rather than virtual tours. Each address gets promoted with feature sheets, typically without pictures or with not all the pictures, and/or postcards, that drive people to the site for the specific address. Here is an example, and other pages, too (click on the link or copy & paste into your browser): http://www.carolyne.com/bramptonhomes/listings.html
July 5th, 2007 at 2:27 pmI tried selling the quantum leap system on ebay but was denied. If you are interested in it please email me
ownlasvegas@gmail.com
February 1st, 2008 at 7:19 pm