Craig Proctor Lied to Me!
Recently, Jim received an email from Craig Proctor, aka Quantum Leap System, inviting him to dial into a conference call and learn how to stop wasting time on insincere buyers and learn how to turn homebuyers into a huge profit center. Jim asked me to dial in and find out about this amazing discovery.
In this email, Craig said that I would learn some pretty specific things, and the following list is a direct quote from his email dated 9-11-06:
“Remember, on this call you’ll learn:
• How to NEVER have a buyer waste your time again
• How to EASILY compel your buyers to demand your service and be willing to pay you a non-refundable $495 retainer in advance
• How to increase your average commission and make 3.5% or more per buyer transaction (with no worries about what the co-broke fee offered is ever again)
• The step-by-step system that prevents demanding, unreasonable, buyers from ever wasting a minute of your valuable time!
• How to get the most motivated and qualified buyers in the market to pick up the phone and call you, begging for you to sell them a home”
I was quite excited and prepared to take notes on the steps and systems I needed to do to learn how to be so incredibly effective with the right buyers. In fact, I had an entire spiral notebook ready for several pages of notes. The call was hosted by three real estate agents who claim to have had success with Craig’s systems.
I have to say, however, that by the end of the call, I had written less than half a page worth of mildly valuable information, and I was quite disappointed. The first half of the call was spent with the agents telling their personal story of how they used to be starving in real estate, couldn’t make ends meet, were working a million hours every week, owed the IRS thousands of dollars, etc. and then after they purchased Craig’s system, their careers turned around and now life is perfect, they have tons of money, and have other people doing all the work for them… Yada, Yada, Yawn!
I think we are all a little tired of the cliché rags to riches stories so popular in the mantra of network marketing scams and crazy religious cults. Ok, so maybe you had a great experience and Craig’s system really did work for you. I didn’t call in for your personal testimony of generalities – I called in to get the specific how-to’s relating specifically to homebuyers that I was promised. I got no specifics. In fact, the only “real” information, albeit limited, that I did get out of the entire call was that part of Craig’s system includes running ads in periodicals and using an automated 800# hotline. But, again, no specifics and no answers in the list of 5 things I was promised. A lot of real estate trainers promote ads and hotlines – no information was provided to tell me why I should use Craig’s system over any other.
I gathered that the entire purpose of the call was to get me to either buy Craig’s system or to pay him to attend the upcoming conference. The attitude of “pay me now and then I’ll tell you what you are buying” did NOT win me over. I know that Craig will probably get people to sign up and make money off this call – but, I am going to hold his feet to the fire on this one. He did not deliver the 5 things he promised. I know nothing more about his system than I did before I called. And therefore, I have no reason to give him my money.
I have gotten the same e-mails from Craig inviting me to attend the conference call. My thinking was that many agents are looking for the “magic pill” and that ultimately, Craig will try to sell his system and make some extra cash from the teleconference.
September 13th, 2006 at 8:44 amBack a few years ago my wife and I went to Craig’s 3 day seminar in Florida. There was a money back guarantee up until the middle of the second day. Up to that point there was some usefull information and I figured with another day and half we would find enough to make it worthwhile.
The whole thing took a 360. It went from usefull (but most of it was stuff I already knew) information to a MAJOR SALES PITCH. They had every vendor there tell why Craig used their product and try and sell you very expensive (overpriced) services. Any service Craig uses he also sells at an inflated price. I have never heard “it will only take one transaction to make this worthwhile” so many times in a 24 hour time frame.
I wish I had taken the day to go site seeing or something. It was a waste of time and money.
September 13th, 2006 at 9:17 amI went to the Craig Proctor Superconference (as he calls it) last November 2005 down in Palm Desert CA. I’ve got mixed feelings about the whole thing. He obviously has made a ton of $$ selling real estate outside of Toronto. Of course, he’s got his team of sellers and buyers agents that actually go out on the sales calls. Heck, he hasn’t been on a sales call in years - he doesn’t have to. And there are many of his ’students’ that have duplicated his systems around North America and make a ton of $$ too. Rick Brash, Brian Moses, Todd Walters and the list goes on and on. So they’ve definitely put it to use and stuck with the system.
If you want SEO (search engine optimization) then yes, do NOT use the Success websites as they’re just template websites. He still relies on running small, inexpensive classified ads. However I question how ‘inexpensive’ those ads are depending on your market and the cost of your Sunday real estate section!
Yes, Proctor has relationships with every vendor that is at his conferences. One thing that did really get old was that starting mid way on the second day they were pushing joining the ‘coaching program’ BIG TIME. That my friends costs $1K per month for 1 year. Not cheap. Now I did talk to some ‘regular folks’ in the audience that were in coaching and they all said that it was a help in their business so I don’t know. But there’s no doubt, they push, push and push some more to get you to join. It’s a helluva big commitment.
Now I did talk to one guy today that joined coaching - he was at the conference with me and he hasn’t done very well I don’t think since last November. He’s been running a bunch of different classified ads in his local papers, and has generated tons of leads. But therein lies the challenge - converting leads to clients! The type of ads that generally draws the best response are some type of a first time homebuyer ad, distress sale/foreclosure ads and so forth. The problem is that those types of ads draw a low class type client - people with poor credit and no $$. So you’ve got to go through alot of work to find the ‘diamond in the rough’ so to speak.
I think the system can work for most anybody, but you’d better have a deep pocketbook and be willing to put in a ton of hours for probably several years at least to get it up and running. But the one knock that I do have is that if you’re looking to pull business from the various search engines, you’re going to have to have a different website than anything that Success websites does.
September 18th, 2006 at 10:36 pmRick,
September 19th, 2006 at 6:48 amThanks for the great comment. Excellent!
I’m trying to find a good website for ‘unbranded’ purposes but I don’t want to go with Success websites as they’re hosting fees (especially if you want to add any audio or video) are very expensive. What I’m looking for is a website similar to Success websites, where you have these free reports that people request and that are sent back to them (as soon as they fill in their contact info) by an ‘auto responder’. I saw somewhere that somebody said to check out Brian Rodgers, which I’ve attempted to do, but have gotten no reply. Which does not give me the ‘warm and fuzzy’ feeling too much.
Maybe I’ll just go with the 800 hotlines that I have with AMS. If anybody has any tips or the name of another reputable web site company that has similar website content to Success website where they can make an unbranded website filled with the free reports, please let me know. Thanks.
September 19th, 2006 at 9:48 pmRick,
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:30 pmRe: an unbranded site that uses the free reports similar to the Success websites:
I am using Advanced Access which allows you to have your own look and create all the pages you would need for your reports and auto responders. You could set it up to have unbranded looking pages with various domain names pointing to those “unbranded” pages. The hosting fee is only $29 per month
I am glad I read the above comments. I have been listening to Craigs conference calls pereodiclly. I have also felt lead on by the calls. The are to general and do not provide any real information. I was planning on go to one of his conferences but now I don’t think that I will.
December 28th, 2006 at 7:57 pmThank you very much for your information. I was almost ready to purchase Craig Proctors program. I am curious though, how does he guarantee the sale of a home in 30 days?”
December 30th, 2006 at 10:44 amYou guys are crazy!!You want something for nothing!! Of course he wants you to buy his package, and join coaching. If youve been in this business long enough, you know that all we have is our TIME and KNOWLEDGE. Dont you think that his time and knowlrdge are worth something. This man makes over 3million a year in commissions. Please dont take me wrong, I am not attacking anyone, but this is common sense. What impressed me from the beginning are a few valid things. 1) The free calls he gives are live!! They are recorded and then as they get closer to his next conference, they are replayed. If you get on a few FREE calls after a conference, you can actually press #1 and talk to Craig himself. What more could you ask for. 2) When I met these guys, whom I have now become friends with, ex. Brain Moses, Joey Trombley, Danny Griffin, Etc. They are the nicest people. They have returned everyone of my phone calls to them and my e-mails with either an e-mail or a phone call. These are guys that are now selling over 400 and500 homes. If you really listen , there may be an ad here or there with a success story and a new car. They are very hard to find. All I have ever heard from these guys (and I mean from personally talking to them) , and in 95% of Craigs ads is that this system is about getting your life and your family back. Not how many millions you can make. If anyone can find one ad from Craig telling you how much money can be made where that is the focal point he is making please send it to me!! Go to a Floyd Wickman, or Tom Hopkins conference, and hear about putting 1000 pumpkins out at halloween with your card on it, and how to handle rejection. These guys havent sold real estate in years. Just understand this, Our Business is about leads. Craigs system will get you those leads, and as one other person stated, yes some ads bring in some poor leads. But I will tell you , when you can pick and choose because you have so many, it is an awesome thing. The other thing he teaches that will amaze you is how to run a business in real estate. I laugh every time I get a new pkg. in the mail from him . Every thing he gives you is complete and tested . No huge manuals that are just full of fluff. Always easy step by step on how to do what he is doing. I hope this helps people. But hey if you dont want it thats fine with me I dont want everyone getting in on my secrets.
Grateful and satisfied CP Coaching Member
January 5th, 2007 at 9:40 pmI don’t know how else to say it but run the ads and they will come.. I’m just glad that there are so many people bashing craig and what he does. That makes my job that much more secure by having less competition! You attended the call right. Why? Direct Response Advertising.. Enough said..
Another Grateful and Satisfied Proctor Member
January 8th, 2007 at 2:41 pmWell 3 days ago i tryed to order the system but kept getting voice mail. the operator kept sending me the ext 222 , are they that busy.. im debating if i should go for the 800.00
January 13th, 2007 at 6:56 pmO.K., I purchased The Quantum Leap System 1 1/2 years ago. I found it to be a lot of buy this and buy that. Most of it in my opinion was pitching how you need to buy Craig’s website for $60 month, buy hotline numbers from a company he reccomends for $40/month etc. etc. I placed the ads…..nothing. I bought the hotlines…..nothing. So I decide to sell it on e-bay!, 2 days into the listing Craig Proctor contacts e-bay claiming that me selling it on e-bay violates the “user agreement”, that I just purchased a licsense to USE this product, and thus couldn’t resell it. When I contacted Craig he claimed that there was a little blue piece of paper in the box that was the license agreeement! Of course there wasn’t, but how do you prove a negative. So I paid $800 bucks for a lot of information on more products that I could buy from Craig, and when I try to recoup some of my losses my auction is pulled for what was listed as a “software infringement”. ( there is no software in this system )
January 14th, 2007 at 2:49 pmNice huh ?
Thanks for the info i will not buy it what other system out there is good?
January 14th, 2007 at 3:50 pmHey Ken. Did you try any of the ideas in the package. you obviously kept it past the 30 day money back guarantee. The best piece in there is the fast start guide. Yes it says call the web company (you need to have a good website). You dont need the 800 #s at first although when you start the system and see how well it works, you will see why you will eventually need it. The best part about Craigs websites is that all of the material that you are going to offer in the ads is already there. it is truly turn key. why is everyone so upset that this guy makes money on outside things. Its not his web company. He went to a website company and worked with them to design what he needed to build the system. Do you think Ray Kroc made money every time he franchised a new mcdonalds location. You are seriously missing out on something special. Yes, eventually you will have to spend money. What business do you know of that you would not reinvest some of your profit back into your business. The fast start guide is a great overview of everything. Just do what it says. The websites are FREE for 60 days. Get 1 website, run 1 or 2 ads. You already spent the 800.
Steve: Trust me, you should judge for yourself. Make sur you are calling the right number, and tell the girl answering that you have been having problems. You are calling Craigs office, not some call center so understand that they will mak it right. Hope this helps!
Ultra-Satisfied CP Coaching Member
January 16th, 2007 at 9:24 amI think thoust protest too much .
Why are these guys SO concerned that I didn’t find this system worth while? For agents that are so busy answering leads from ads they placed, showing and selling houses they seem to be checking this thread daily. Why do they care? Is it possible they work for this company? Now I don’t know that, but seems odd to me that such busy agents are concerned about whether you buy this product or not. If it were working for me I wouldn’t want the competition to know about it, would you? The more people that buy it the greater the chance that more than 1 agent in your area will be running simlar ads in the same papers and offering the same programs. Hmmmmm.
The ONLY reason I shelled out $800 for this, or any other program is because I saw it on ebay with a lot of bids and selling for over $500. I figured it must be good with that kind of activity, and since I just moved to Remax I thought I’d buy myself a new one directly from the company. If it wasn’t for me I’d resell it on ebay and recoup some of my losses. That was before this company pulled my listing claiming that even though no mention was made of a license agreement at any time during my 1/2 hour call, that their is one and I agreed to it because they put a blue piece of paper in the box saying so and I didn’t return the program.
I did use the fast start guide, etc. I ran the ads, I signed up for the hotline, etc. I drew the line at the website. Check out some other articles, one entitled “Craig Proctor Lied to me ” . I don’t have the link but just search it on Yahoo or Google. The guy says the same thing I’m saying about a invitation he got via e-mail to listen in a phone call.
You do what you want, but consider that all these busy agents have the time to keep watching this thread, and the company itself is watching Ebay to make sure no one is selling this item. Aren’t they supposed to be so busy selling houses ?
January 16th, 2007 at 10:41 amOopps, This is the article,…nevermind !
January 16th, 2007 at 10:44 amWhat about his free half day seminars? Has anyone gone to those? Is that another sell job with no good information? Look forward to your responses. Thanks
January 22nd, 2007 at 3:02 pmI went to the half day free seminar, they give you a few good ideas, but the obvious pitch is to buy his 3 day seminar, Im think about buying the leap system, just to get the ads, i wld rather be talking to a lot of leads, than have none at all, none of the other real estate guru’s are cheap either, and most of them, have never even sold real estate, at least Proctor has and still does, to set yourself appart from others is my goal, I use a few ideas from different sources, an agent must spend some money to improve hi/her self, as all of you have, I have looked at a lot of programs, and I also am afriad of loosing money gained the hard way, I do not think the entire program, will apply to me, but any help, that works, is better than none, $800.00 is really very cheap, look at college prices, our mls fee;s, nar and the rest of of the fee;s we pay
January 29th, 2007 at 8:50 pmSave your money Melody. The ads didn’t work for me and I ran them exactly as it was laid out. ONE call total. The person never responded when I followed up. Unless your in an area where the buyers and sellers are intellectually challenged, most aren’t falling for “27 free tips to sell your home for the most money”, etc etc. They know someone’s on the other end waiting to sell them something. I obviously have a beef with this company since they filed a complaint against me for trying to sell this item on Ebay. ( to recoup my losses )But if it was worth even $100 I wouldn’t be selling it. One of the manuals is almost all pitches to get you to BUY into more programs,and it’s almost 2 inches thick. OH, and be careful, if you think you BUYING this you’re wrong. They didn’t tell me this on the phone when they took my $800, but supposidly there was a blue sheet of paper in the box that stated this was a license to use only. I don’t actually own it and thus can’t resell it. They’ve sent me this blue piece of paper and it reads like another sales pitch, not a legal license of any kind. For some all the money in the world just isn’t enough I guess. I wouldn’t recommend this system to anyone.
January 31st, 2007 at 2:54 pmWe have followed the Craig Proctor Program for 6 months and it is starting to really pay off. You have to stick with it and follow their instructions. We get several leads each day and have converted them to listings. We also have alot of buyers coming through the websites and ads.
You have to spend money on ads and the websites, as well as advertising the websites.
February 2nd, 2007 at 12:23 pmHmmmm…maybe KEN works for the competition…thats what I’m thinking…real estate is ALL about systems folks…we did it the hard way last year and banged out about 120 transactions…I’m just beginning with the Proctor stuff and I KNOW it will work because of my past experiences with very similar stuff…and I DONT work for him…but anytime you can make the phone ring that much…youre in the wrong business if you cant make some $$$!!!!
February 6th, 2007 at 3:31 pmHi everyone, I live 45 min from Proctors marketing area in Ontario Canada. I have competitors )Remax) agents who have been following his system. Anyting can work if you work. His ideas are no secret potion. I guess some agents get motivated with the info and just get to work. Lets face it, we can all make alot more if we work harder and smarter. I truly believe there is no easy way to be successful in Real Estate.
February 8th, 2007 at 8:12 pmCraig loves himself and sells his wares accordingly. Its all about the money. Hire 5 assistants, place your little lead generator calls etc etc.
Ive never been impressed by an agent who claims to sell 200 or 400 homes a year when you know damn well that its not him selling the homes but 3-10 other agents that he takes the credit for. Hes just a salesman acting as a broker within a brokerage.
It leads to impersonal relationships and alot of unhappy clients. If I hire Craig I want Craig not sue or bill or dave.All information that you can use to help earn more money is good, He does have some good ideas but theyre not worth what he is charging. Write a book craig,list your ideas and sell it for $29.95
Your No Donald Trump.
Jeffery,
You’ve hit it right on the head, you’ve seen through my disguise. I work for the competition and am writing that I think this Quantum Leap system isn’t worth 1/4 of what they are charging because I work for the competition. Even though I didn’t mention any other system to purchase that was better, that was all a part of my master plan. I don’t care if they buy “my product”, I just don’t want them to buy this product .
It’s all very Silly Jeff, I’d hate to negotiate a transaction against someone of your superior intellect to be able to see through me like you have. Bravo. I also like your use of Capital letters and exclamation points. You really drove your point home with those. ( I would have used about 5 more exclamation points, it really shows you’ve patted yourself on the back that way. )
Oh, just curious, If you “know” that this will work because “you’ve done similar programs” in the past, why did you order this one? Did you have 800 bucks just lying around that you wanted to spend on something you already knew about and have done before? Say hi to Craig for me.
Ken
February 9th, 2007 at 6:57 amSorry Jeff, I meant Timmy, not you in my response.
ken
February 9th, 2007 at 7:02 amRobin,
February 9th, 2007 at 7:35 amI think you’re right on the money. I’m not saying that this system could never work for anyone, as obviously some are doing well with it. It just didn’t work for me in my area. If Craig didn’t go out of his way to file a complaint against me in Ebay I wouldn’t bother with this thread….let the buyer beware. However to charge this kind of money, then turn around and claim that you purchased a license to use only, and that selling it on Ebay is a violation of that is in my opinion wrong. I purchased this system. No one mentioned when I ordered this on the phone that I was licensed to use it only, and that I can’t sell it if I so choose. I’m not selling a copy, I didn’t make a copy, I’m trying to sell the original that I purchased directly from this company. Many have sold before I tried to sell it, and many have sold since. There is even someone selling the system on Ebay as an E-book for exactly the price you stated, $29.95. Now THAT I can see being possibly a copyright infringement. However they haven’t pulled any of these listings, or any other that have come on for sale since they singled me out and pulled mine. So if anyone wants to know my motivation for posting on this site that is it. I think I’m getting singled out and that I was sold a License to use this system only and wasn’t told that when I paid for it. I feel that is deceptive.
Wow - what a fun and interesting discussion.
I know there are agents who have made money with Craig’s system and those who have not. I think it all depends on your personal marketing preferences and your local market.
Ken, I am so sorry to hear about your experience - I would be pretty ticked as well.
I have not used Craig’s system, but as my article explains, my biggest beef was that he clearly promised specific things in the free call. And he did not deliver.
I never expected him to divulge all the secrets of his program - but I did expect him to honor his written word.
February 9th, 2007 at 3:39 pmthe best thing to do is go out there and knock on doors no systems needed!!!
February 10th, 2007 at 4:14 pmMy website is from Z57 (www.z57.com) and I have been very happy with them for the past year. I previously had a success website from Craig Proctor, and also found it very expensive and not terribly effective. My Z57 site runs about half of what the Success site did (about $80 per month) and they have various autoresponders depending on which form the user fills out and a very helpful and responsive marketing department. Another thing I like is that you can change the homepage and theme from dozens of preformatted themes with the click of a mouse. Only the webmaster could make limited changes to the theme or home page of the Success site. The site seems a lot more straightforward and uncluttered, and allows me to easily write specific reports for inclusion in the real estate tips section and to personalize every page with a simple editor (but a lot of the content is just fine as it is…)
For the 800 call capture system, I use the Proquest system and have been extremely happy with them. Not only do they provide the 800 service, they are very liberal with providing marketing tips and creative ways to make it work for you. I have found them to have a very win-win attitude toward their customers.
I have used a lot of lead generation systems and have boiled it down to these two programs, and use Google Adwords to generate the traffic (vs. paying $50-$60 per lead from services who do the same thing). Also, don’t forget to cross promote your website in every piece of advertising and mailing you do.
- Pat
February 13th, 2007 at 10:27 amWow! I stumbled on this website and was shocked by some of the comments. I have freinds that tried to “half way” do the Craig Proctor system. The results that they got were next to nothing if anything at all. I have tried several coaching programs and have found that they all promise alot. I found that once I got back and tried to put into practice all that I had learned, I spent more time trying to prefect a system than selling real estate. The Craig Proctor system says “Here is what I did, and you can too” Is it expensive? YES! (are they tax deductible? you’ll have to ask your accountant.) Does it work? Yes! Is it perfect? No! Are they working on it, to prefect it? Yes!
I have just finished the coaching program and and now in the graduate program. The coach worked with me to do some small things to prefect my ads that I already ran. They worked well. I went from very little response to between 20 and 50 leads a week. We also learned to NOT spend money on things that didn’t work and to wait to spend money until I could convert the leads the were comming in. I was not impressed with Success Websites and have opted to use another. They provide both the branded and non-branded sites for half the price and were much easier to work with to make changes. I have used AMS 800 numbers since 2003 and have not found any other service to come close to what they can do.
All in all, I view the Craig Proctor System as the Harvard of Real Estate Training. Just because you have visited the campus, doesn’t mean that you have an education. You must take what they are teaching and apply it. I looked at it as buying into a franchise that no one else or very few are using in my area. There are alot of people that will not pay for it because of the price. That is fine by me. While many of my friends have gotten out of the business in 2006, I have picked up market share while working less than 30 hours per week on average. (Had some heart problems that I needed to fix, all better now!) I can truly say that since 2003, I have NOT made a cold call, I have not knocked on doors, and I have not worked more than 40 hours in a week on average. I work to live not live to work. I make a comfortable living and I enjoy life.
Ken, I’m sorry to hear that The Craig Proctor System did not work for you….yet. I have perfected an ad that ran last year. I run it every week and get 7 to 10 leads a week without fail. Although I have had all the campaigns for over a year, I am just now getting ready to apply another ad campaign. The beauty of this system is that you can apply what you bought years ago, today and it will work. If you would like to email me, I will be happy to help tweek your ads for you, or help with some other area of the system.
This is not the only real estate program out there, but it works best for me.
Sincerely,
February 20th, 2007 at 9:02 amSteve Saunders
Hey thanks everyone for the great info. I’m just getting back into real estate sales. I left in 1996 to pursue other avenues. I think I will order Craig’s program with the intent to mail it back prior to 30 days! Unless I find it worth while to keep.
Gary Keller’s book “The Millionaire Real Estate Agent” is EXCELLENT. Bottom line more leads, produce more lisitings and the implemetation of “LEVERAGE” produces anew life. style. Craig has certainly leveraged himself. Leverage is the key to enjoying real estate. Gary talks about the four stages of success. 1) THINK, 2) EARN, 3) NET, & 4th) RECEIVE.
Thanks everyone
February 20th, 2007 at 2:17 pmPaul
If anyone would like to sell thier quantum leap system to me in a PRIVATE PARTY TRANSACTION, please email me at emcpower@yahoo.com
February 20th, 2007 at 2:32 pmHey Eric,
February 20th, 2007 at 5:33 pmDid you try contacting Ken above (see post above about the ebay experience)? Hopefully, the Proctor police won’t harass him again.
Another Grateful and Satisfied Proctor Member Said:
… You attended the call right. Why? Direct Response Advertising.. Enough said..
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I find this comment interesting (aside from the fact this person chose to remain anonymous). Yes, I responded to the email Craig sent.
But that is not “enough said” because he did not deliver what he promised. If I did the same thing to homebuyers and sellers, my reputation as a Realtor would be affected. That doesn’t exactly help me make money or get my life back, does it?
February 20th, 2007 at 5:51 pmMy partner and I attended the half day seminar and bought what we thought was the complete system. There were a half dozen reports similar to the ones that you can download from your board for free. I just listened to a teleconference call - definitely pre recorded and hung up after a half hour of a pitch on why I should buy that hideous website that actually asks for people’s SIN numbers, employers, etc in a non secure environment - (duh!! let’s make it easy to have our future clients identity stolen). I hung up as am sure the next half hour was a pitch to buy the postcards, etc.
The whole approach is so used car - “now that you’ve bought the car, would you like to buy the brakes too?” I could not and would not ever deal with my clients in that way.
NEVERTHELESS, I do feel that there is a lot of sense in the system. Attending the free works shop and sleuthing around would have given me as much information as purchasing the system and lots less frustration as we sift through these poorly organized manuals for something useful. My advice is to attend the free seminar, do some research, sounds like it could be worth attending the conference so long as you take advantage of the money back guarantee and you want to visit wherever it is being held.
I am quite sure the system will work, but it’s not rocket science, is very simple and are just trying to make more money by selling you more and delivering little. I do know someone who can do a website that does much the same thing but has a lot more class.
February 21st, 2007 at 3:25 pmIf anyone wants this system I’ve got it back on Ebay now. I filed what’s called a counter notice on Craig Proctor to either file a federal law suit against me or if he didn’t within 14 days of being notified I could relist it. He had no case, so he didn’t file the suit. ( my lawyer wishes he had ) Anyway, it’s back on Ebay if anyone wants to buy it. The buy it now price is $450, a real steal at that price ! ;0 )
February 21st, 2007 at 4:18 pmJust Be Sure You Know What You Want!
February 22nd, 2007 at 11:10 amI signed up for the CP Seminar in Colorado last winter. I journeyed there with my wife seeking to pick up some good techniques and information on improving my business. The seminar was a mix of how-to-run your real estate business, and testimonials from some real hard-luck cases who’d turned things around using the Proctor program. I left after buying mostly the whole package including coaching.
My results after several months of using the ads, web sites and 800 numbers were dismal. Coaching was expensive and I found little dollar benefit from the ads or coaching. Another agent in my area was using the Proctor program also, so I had no exclusive on that aspect of marketing. On the positive side, they will teach you how to organize yourself into an effective RE agent or company using some tested materials and plans. I’d recommend calling people who are both delighted and disappointed with the results of CP Seminars and related products before jumping in. It takes some serious cash to play and your results might not be very stellar. I’d rate the experience a mixed bag that could be duplicated elsewhere. I did not feel that I was being lied to or cheated, however, and many things I purchased have been useful to me.
Ken, enjoy taking back pop bottled to fill your rusty car with enough gas to get to your other job at the fast food restaurant you work at! Why is it you are so jelous of successful people? Losers always tend to be like this aren’t they? Anyway, Craig has done wonders for my business as well as many others I’ve met with and become friends with. I know you wish this wasn’t the case but for you nothing you try in life will be a success. You know I’m right don’t you Ken?
Have a pleasant day.
February 23rd, 2007 at 3:00 pmBuck, bucks, bucks give me more bucks. Thats what you get. I found a new system and now biz is taking off.
PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 24th, 2007 at 5:55 amThe complaints I have read paint a picture of some very naive people. I might also say it is what we call a “VICTIM” mentality. Craig’s system does work and I use it myself. To ignore Craig’s success and Craig’s results is probably very foolish…but ALAS there is no magic pill…this “FRANCHISE” like system is for entrepreneurs who want to put in place a proven system. However, like any system or franchise it will take money, hard work and some serious training. TO me Craig’s program, his staff and his team has been spectacular, straight-forward, honest, ethical, polished, and a “CLASS ACT. Craig is a true master of the game. Stop your “VICTIM” mentality and go sell some houses!
Bob Guest (512)671-8828
February 24th, 2007 at 7:37 amI’ve attended Craig Proctor’s conferences since November of 2003. I’ve been in real estate since 1962 and for the first time in my life I’ve met one that has “it” together. Every aspect of real estate selling and marketing. Those who have not been committed to his program are in my opinion not willing to “pay the price” of personal time and commitment to grow a business. I will always be greatful to Craig, Todd, Brian, and others for their tireless assistance and never once have I been disappointed. His program is fantastic. I’m sorry that those who might believe otherwise and who are so willing to discredit Craig. I am a believer! (I hope these positive comments will get posted and read) Jerry Groenig - Yakima, Washington
February 24th, 2007 at 8:53 amI have never blogged before, but I feel I need to now. Having spent 2 years on a Navy Reserve mobilization that caused my Real estate production to drop to nearly zero, I needed help to get back in the game. Because of Craig Proctor’s systems. in just 2 short years I went from zero to outperforming over 91% of the agents in my market. And before CP Systems 100% of my transactions were people in my sphere of influence, now 90% of my transactions are clients I did not previously know due to these superb marketing systems taught by Craig Proctor. And I tried other coaching systems such as one that directed you to cold call and go push people to “sign the contract” or to give them gifts until they refer everyone they know resulting in them ultimately avoiding you. Those other systems did not work for me.
February 24th, 2007 at 8:55 amNow leads are contacting me! I’m having to add staff to respond to all of them and conduct business as well. His ideas just keep getting better. I can’t keep up with implementing all the great ideas. I have a business not a hobby or a job. I spoken with many of his members (some much younger than I) that have been so successful and so systemized they’ve delegated almost everything except the lead generation machine and are making millions! I will get there soon thanks to Craig! His system wasn’t easy and it wasn’t free. I met two guys that just took one idea from Quantum Leap and went from poverty to hanging on the beach in Hawaii when Donald Trump’s staff calls him about all the pre-solds he’s done for his high rises.
So, from someone who’s willing to fight for the wonderful freedom we enjoy, if you don’t like it, and you are not interested, this is a free country and don’t play. Just sent it back. He does honor his 30 day money back guarantee. And I did receive a paper that said you could not re-sell his system.
Sincerely,
Colorado Barb
I have been following Craig’s system for the last 3 years and I can honestly say that they have caused a dramatic change in my business (I average 150 transactions/year and dont work weekends)-and no,I don’t work for Craig.The only reason I am responding is to give a more balanced view of some of these negative and bizarre comments that I have read on this thread.For sure anything of value takes some work to impliment but there lies the key-if you don’t impliment or don’t do it properly it won’t work.Just as opening a McDonalds and not serving the food the way that they tell you-you won’t have success.I have met people from all over North America who have worked Craig’s system and are doing terrificly well at it. I have never found my dealings with Craig’s company to be anything but efficient,straightforward,and that I always got More than was promised.Craig has been one of the top selling Realtors in the world for the last 15 years and that stat is independantly verifiable….why would I even think of studying someone else who hasn’t sold real estate in 20 years or in some cases never?As far as the ads not working and the leads not being worthwhile I have sold at least one house a week just from my CP internet ads and have tons of people to follow up with today.I think if you polled 100 people who have studied what Craig teaches 95 would tell you they are very happy and that it has transformed their business.Some people just don’t get it.If anybody would like more info or help just email me anytime …davidthompson@remax.net
February 24th, 2007 at 9:20 amAdding to Bob Guest’s comments I too am in Craig’s coaching program and have found it to be quite effective. Having owned franchises (outside real estate) before, I was conditioned to forcast a fixed cost towards training in our budget planning. Paying what we have for Craig’s coaching for the last 3 years has been worth every penny. Is it for everyone? Obviously not. Is it pretty and perfect? No, but what is? I will tell you that if you make this investment and stick with it you will be rewarded with a solid business model that works. Additionally, you will be part of a community of agents that sincerely give of themselves to make you better at what you do. Try it, what do you have to lose? 12 grand? Really? If I were to offer to make you an extra $50k in profit this year but you had to give me $12k to make it happen, you wouldn’t do it? That’s what it did for us our first year. Good Luck.
February 24th, 2007 at 9:56 amDave,
February 24th, 2007 at 10:10 amHow did you find out about this thread? You stated you already have Craig’s system and have been using it for years. I’m just curious why you were searching the internet under Craig Proctor and stumbled upon this site and then felt compelled to reply. Also, do you know of 100 people who used Craig’s system? How do you have any idea that 95% would tell me that they were happy with it? It’s also curious that you feel so strongly about this that you would give out your personal e-mail to answer questions about someone else’s marketing program ? Just find it interesting.
Anyone else reading this thread, DOES ANYONE FIND IT ODD THAT ALL OF THESE PEOPLE, WHO ALL WROTE IN ON THE 24TH, WERE ALL SEARCHING THE INTERENET FOR CRAIG PROCTOR EVEN THOUGH THEY ALREADY PURCHASED HIS SYSTEM ? What a coincidence ! 4 agents, ALL found this thread on the same day ! They all had glowing results, and they’re willing to share their experiences and answer questions for anyone ! Wow, what a country….and what a crock !
February 24th, 2007 at 10:16 amDo not comment on something you do not understand!
A good friend of mine two and a half years ago asked me to accompany him to Craig’s Superconference in Phoenix and he gave me the same advice…. “Do not comment on something you do not understand!”
I trusted my buddy and went to the 3 day lecture and left with information overload and lots of notes.
Having been in Mike Ferry’s coaching for 3 years and Leaders Choice for 2 years as well as owning every book on real estate sales and a multitude of vhs taped (remember those), audio cassette tapes and dvd’s by these “guru’s” who offer recycled how-to’s to your way to a million dollars, Craig actually still sells…. yes, contrary to the blog comments, Craig still makes calls himself from his home office, and is not selling has-been techniques or repackaging other agents success techniques!
I went from selling between 50 and 60 homes a year on my own to last year 80 deals and this year will exceed 100 transactions, with only 1 team agent while working only 20 hours a week in the field the balance in implementing many of Craig’s system’s that generate not only lots of leads, but many of them great leads. In fact, from the last 2 years of using Craig’s system, I have another listing from the “old leads I have been keeping in contact with” and at least 6 more coming that I know about already from the existing ones.
My suggestion to anyone reading this bloggers comments is… How successful is this agent! Look at the positive comments in reply and investigate Craig’s system as it not only works…. but it is landmark for our profession where prospects chase us for help rather than us calling, door knocking and open housing begging for them to sit down with us!!!
Rather than taking what you think is the best of Craig’s stuff and looking for other venues to implement it cheaper, I suggest that you stop blogging and just keep learning how to improve your business, your bottom line profitability and your quality of family life… all, tools you will learn from Craig Proctor!
February 24th, 2007 at 10:32 amKen I’m sorry that you feel so strongly negative about a program that has clearly helped many people.I know hundreds of people who have successfully used Craig’s system and have personally met many of them and interact with them on a regular basis.I would say that I do a pretty good job in my real estate business and still only please about 95% of the people that I deal with…no matter what you do you can’t please everybody.Another point to consider is that many of the top people of virtually all the major real estate companies in North America use Craig’s system as their main source of business and business model.That is just plain fact…so good luck to you in the future..I hope things turn around for your real estate business.
February 24th, 2007 at 12:05 pmMy Real estate business is just fine PAL. I’m not the one who started this post. I question how so many of you Proctor deciples found this on your own. Just doesn’t make any sense. What does make sense is that you were contacted and asked to post. How else would you find this site to begin with. Were you just searching for Craig Proctor because he’s your hero? Please, don’t insult everyone’s intelligence here. This is simply damage control.
February 24th, 2007 at 1:00 pmIf you want to learn how to fix cars, learn from a proficient auto technician. I sold 30 houses the year before I started learning from Craig. I joined his coaching program. The first year while learning I closed 50 deals. 3 years later while continuing to learn I did $1,200,000+ in commissions. If you want to gripe and complain and make what you made last year, just do what you did last year. If you want to learn from someone who knows how and is willing to teach you, Craig can help.
February 24th, 2007 at 8:17 pmKen,
I am a very satisfied CP Coaching Member!!! I was searching under Craig Proctor to see what other kinds of campaigns he is running. I feel sorry for you that you spend so much time here. This seems like Ken against Craig and his followers. All of your comments are so bitter. If you dont like it , move on! It amazes me that you are so angry that you were not allowed to sell this on ebay. Put yourself in his shoes. If you developed a true turn key system wouldnt you patent it and protect it. Sure you would. You had 30 days to reyurn it, and you know what, your not out that much. You could still learn alot of ideas from him and do your own thing, you know thast old “When Life Hands you Lemons ” thing! You have no idea what you are passing up, but hey I want everyone here to listen tyo you , because I love less competition. You all want something for nothing. Has anyone ever gone to a Calton Sheets seminar, or any other real Estate seminar. The Real people dont even show up. You get stand in Trainers. Craigs Real estae business now runs like clockwork without him, and to the woman who wrote earlier to discredit him for saying he sells 400+ homes per year and its his team and not him totally misses every point that could ever be made. How many people here go on vacation and their business suffers, or they get someone to cover them. This man has taught me to go on vacation and come home to new listings and Sales . Yes! his agents are doing all of the work as are mine, but it is his system that does it . These agents are handed leads, and being told what to say , andwhen to say it! Like a fine oiled machine. One thing will never change in this business. 20% of the agents in it sell 80% of the homes!!This is hard, and it costs money. But I am spending money in the right places and my personal coaches with CP helped me fix my mistakes. There are alot of people in this discussion that are not cut out to be super successful in this business. I only clicked on and check back to this blog to see what people are saying. To those of you not sure, just remember , negative people will hold you back your entire life. hey Ray Kroc could sell you a McDonalds, but if you didnt have the exact systems and you didnt buy his Fryers and other components , it wouldnt work . If Craig Proctor ever reads this , I want to say thank you as you are a great man. There , I said my peice. Hey Ken, Misery loves company, and you are doing you best to attract it! good luck .
February 24th, 2007 at 9:45 pmHey Ken one other thing, 17 listings and 9 sales from Jan1 til Today. Just me and Craigs system, 1 Assistant, and 1 Agent who is right now on a per deal basis. I am on track to sell 75 to 135 homes this year. As I am typing this 3 leads came in. Maybe I will buy that system off of you, just to help you sleep better at night. I m sorry I dont want to argue with you, but I do support Craig. Lets be real , that all things in life do not work for all people. Just find what works for you and move on. Liike I said before, most people in this business should not be in this business. The agents who understand that this is a business opportunity and not just a job or career are the ones who will thrive. I wish you well. I do not work for Craig either. I knoew coming into this business that to beat everyone else I would have to spend money , and lets face it, any successful business out there has a system . Craigs staff and other members are some of the nicest and hardest working people I have ever met. I hope you find what you are looking for, but then again maybe this blog is what makes you happy.
Thanks again Craig. See you in April!!!
February 24th, 2007 at 9:58 pmHey, any other happy members, I would love to talk to you sometime, look me up on the Coaching website and shhot me an e-mail.!!
February 24th, 2007 at 10:01 pmI was contacted and invited to give my imput for this blog, and of course was not instructed what to say either way. I have been a real estate broker for 29 years, I’ve trained with Alan Jacobson’s system, Tom Hopkin’s, ERA’s Fast Track, Century 21’s 2 & 1 and Operation Orbit, I am a “Sweathog”, a graduate of “The Listing Machine” system with Hilton Johnson,a commercial and residential appraiser and presently I’m in the One on One Mentor system with Mike Ferry, and this year I’m receiving the CCIM designation. I also run 3 radio shows in South Florida about real estate (Google the featured article “Realtors on the Radio” in Florida Realtor magazine), so I can say I know more ways to skin the cat than most agents out here.
February 24th, 2007 at 11:09 pmIn November 2005 I went to a Super Conference in Palm Desert, joined coaching and bought ALL the systems recommmended by Craig Proctor.
At the Super Conference they told us we would have more leads than we could handle, (I snickered at that time). When I came back I implemented the campaigns and got them going Jan 2nd. By late February I was drowning with leads (I had failed to implement the contact management system. When I finished coaching I was asked to join Platinum Level (by invitation only and much more than $1000 a month), and have been participating since January 2007.
Everything Craig Proctor has said and represented has been 100% true. When the system was not producing the results they promised was because I did not follow the directions as instructed (like when I used the contact management system “my way”). When ads were not giving me the expected results, all I had to do was get on the weekly ad call and they would help me tweak the ad or change the venue and it would become effective once more. If you use this system as instructed it WILL produce positive results, and I reconfirm this montly through my American Express payment to the Craig Proctor organization.
Am I worried that more people are going to join and create more competition for me? I have coached and mentored enough people to know that most are not willing to pay the price to succeed, if not why would 36.2% of realtors sell only 1 house a YEAR???!!!(Hope you complement me on my puntuation too, Ken).
One last point Ken, I find that most successful realtors are at a listing appointment Saturdays at 10:00 AM and not wasting their time writing in blogs. If you had tried that maybe the system would have worked you.
Let me assure everyone I do not work for Craig Proctor and couldn’t care less if anybody joins or nor, but give Caesar what is Caesar’s.
The system works if you work it. The help is not there and the weekly 1 hour callin conference seems prerecorded and they always plug the super conference and sell you something else. It is called a back end biz in real estate. Try Todd Bates and buy the way using his direct aprrouch stuff is making my bisness engine run like a charm. ProQuest Tech has got em all beat when it comes to direct response and I used the others. I get far more better leads!
And many realtors here online are just that realtors - worried about self image and the like whichyou never had. Our job is to market our services and not sell homes. Homeselling is a by-product of our marketing efforts which we must keep in check or we will go broke.
February 25th, 2007 at 6:13 amHey Marc,
You’re a shill, just admit it. You say you hope people listen to me because you don’t like competition? Then why are you spending all this time trying to convince anyone who reads this how great the system is. You’re not be geniune. I had a beef with this company, that’s why I wrote here. I’m not offering anyone free info if they contact me on my private e-mai etc. like some of you. So go ahead and question my motivation for writing here. That’s fine, I really could care less. I bought the system, it didn’t work for me. Period. 30 days isn’t enough time to evaluate all this info. Just to start some of the calls takes weeks. Be that as it may, you don’t understand the laws of the Unitied States of America. I or anyone else can sell a patented or copyrighted item if it is my own copy and not a reproduction. If that wasn’t the case no one could sell anything on Ebay or anywhere else. You wouldn’t be able to sell you car, or your bicycle, or you record collection,etc. Being copyrighted means you can’t make copies and sell them. Not that you can’t sell your own personal copy. It’s called the First Sale Doctrine. The seller loses all rights to a products resale once he is compensated for it once. I think they understand that now.
February 25th, 2007 at 6:15 amIf you are having sucess with it that’s great, I’m more than happy for you and everyone else who posted here. I never said this couldn’t work, I said the opposite in one post above actually. I found the program to be a lot of buy this and buy that, running into thousands and thousands of more dollars. I didn’t count on that, I don’t think many who purchased this system did. Maybe they did, I don’t know. Just keep your personal digs to you yourself. It really shows where you are coming from, and I think will have the opposite effect of what you are intending to do here. There, now I’ve spelled out my agenda. I done posting here, I’ve got houses to sell.
I can’t agree with your thinking. I’ve followed Craig Proctor & his system for the last 3.5 years & have found the information & ideas outstanding. Craig is the only mentor I know who actually practices Real Estate & not just talks about it. I’m sorry you’re disappointed but you really need to do your research before you publicly slam someone. Why couldn’t you just say the system’s not for you & move on? I’m just one of thousands who Craig has helped who will disagree with you. If anyone wants to ask me specific questions about what I’ve discovered working with Craig please don’t hesitate to email frkprindle@aol.com.
February 25th, 2007 at 8:14 amRaphael,
February 25th, 2007 at 9:53 amO.k., we’ve established one thing from your post. That many of these recent posts were done by cutomers of Craig Proctor and they were asked to blog on his behalf. Which is fine. Unfortunately I don’t have a list of all the dissatisfied purchasers of this system to contact, or I’m sure there would be many more with an opposing view to yours. If you read all the posts you would see that I am not alone in my dissapointment with the system. I don’t have to do research to give MY OPINION. I stated that I was dissapointed that what I thought was a turn-key product for $800 wasn’t, that the initial investment was just that, and I’d need to purchase many other systems down the road, and that most of this system can’t be implemented without buying these other systems. I’ll have to say that I found the 800 # to be useful, but not in conjunction with the Stealth ads. I find it a good listing tool to let the homeowner know that people can call from their car from the for sale sign and get detailed info. without having to track down an agent. I’m still utilizing an 800# system. The stealth ads didn’t work for me. I tried them, I spent a good deal of money on them, and only got one call. So I stopped doing it. I think every system including this one says to stop spending money on things that you don’t get a return on. Please keep in mind that I am not saying that this system can’t work for some, I’m sure it does. It didn’t work for me. I didn’t try to return it, I didn’t call them to complain about it, I just tried to resell it. That’s where my beef came in. It wasn’t for me, that’s all I’m saying. I wouldn’t recommend it. Maybe a different personallity type or whatever would dive into this and completely turn their business around. I don’t know. Just like you don’t know that this may not work for everyone, and not everyone has thousands of dollars to invest and find out. Good luck to you and everyone using this sucessfully. I mean that.
For the record:
February 25th, 2007 at 1:44 pmCraig Proctor has delivered on every promise he has made! I have been a Proctor coaching member for 2 years and my business has gone through the roof as a result of his “Quantum Leap System”. I highly recommend it.I went from 250K GCI to 895K GCI in 16 months. Made top 1% (74th)(Chairmans Club) in Canada from over 13,000 agents with Royal Lepage. Criag’s systems deliver!
Ralph Wiber
Red Deer, ALberta
Ken,
Hey no harm done. I think you are a good person, and hey if it didny work for you thats fine. I only offer communication to others because I have met so many people with CP that have helped me. The only reason I jumped to Craigs defense is because you took this in a direction towards people like they are working for Craig, or that it is all BS. I feel the same way you do , I wish you well in whatever you do, and yes people that have had success with CP are very quick to defend him. Alot of other trainers out there offer alot of things, but no clear cut way to implement them. Noit only does CP give you every step, but the exact steps within a phone call to your coach. Yes it costs $$ and the websites cost $$, and everything else, but sometimes you have to take a chance on yourself as well. These blogs are crazy, because you cant really sense someones demeanor when you are reading what they wrote. If I mistook your blogs as harsh and they were not, then I stand corrected. I think most people here that support the system just know what its like for someone to always tell them something wont work. They need to decide for themselves. Yes its true, I dont want other people in my area buying the system, but like I said I would gladly return the favor that Craigs staff extended to me and talk to someone else. I wish you well ken , and What ever works for you, I hope it works well. Good luck.
CP Coaching, Now Grad member!!
February 25th, 2007 at 3:19 pmTo Whom It May Concern:
I can not say if Craig Proctor’s systems are for everyone or not. But Craig asked me to comment on this post and share my experience, and out of respect for the man I am happy to oblige. Some people buy a paint brush expecting that they can hammer a nail in with it. What Craig offers are tools and systems. Craig can not be blamed though if the “Tool” that someone bought did not fit the job they were trying to accomplish with it. You have to follow the manufacturers instructions on proper use, and that is what Craig Proctor coaching is all about in my belief. He provides the tools and he provides instructions on their proper use.
Having said that, what I can share is my experience. Craig’s systems may not be for everybody, but they worked incredibly for me. My market place is Las Vegas, and I have gone from an agent that did 5 transactions in a year, to over 100. I am now 1 of the top 20 listing agents out of over 16,000 agents in Las Vegas. My GCI has jumped into the 7 figure range. I attribute all of my success to my painstakingly following every detail and applying ALL of the instructions that I received from Craig’s systems and coaching. So for me, my belief is that Craig’s systems work, if you are smart enough and willing to work hard enough to apply them.
Success leaves clues.
February 25th, 2007 at 4:39 pmI began using Craig’s systems in November of 2001. Never before meeting Craig had I achieved a GCI of $1,000,000 or more. I have now achieved this GCI in each of the last 4 years with my best being $2.7M. His tools may not work for all, but they sure as heck have worked for me. Now my story is not one of “rags to riches” as I had been fairly successful in all my career. But my numbers really exploded when I began using Craig’s systems, but better yet, I only work about 35 hours a week in my real estate business. I will spend most of my summer this year at my mountain home running my business by remote control. Thanks Craig.
February 25th, 2007 at 10:16 pmPut it this way, Craig’s system is that a SYSTEM. If you follow it step by step then you will succeed! Think about opening a McDonald’s franchise, they know the proper steps to get you up and running and how to be successful, in fact when was the last time you saw one go out of business! Well it is the same thing with Craig. You can pick the parts you like, however they won’t work, you need a combined and most importantly consistent system working for you, this will help your business grow.
I know many people who tried pieces of the system and they have all failed. I look at this as a 10 year process and I am on year 3 with Craig so do not expect a magic bullet overnight but do expect a consistent business that builds year after year!!
February 26th, 2007 at 12:42 pmI find Ken very childish. Because he was too lazy to work on the sound principles to improve his sales, he blames the coach, just like a little kid on a hockey team that is too lazy to learn to skate, “it’s the coach”. You think you are so smart to resell the product on eBay, hoping Craig would respond….like a taunting little child pulling another’s pigtails.
February 26th, 2007 at 8:39 pmAnd you are selling real estate???
I am thinking about purchasing the system and am now more confused as ever. I should never have even attempted to read any of this. I really thought that I could get a good handle on the advertising I needed to use and 800$ didn’t sound like a huge amount of money considering what I spend on ads. But I don’t want to be pressured during every conference call to buy something else. I guess I just thought he was trying to make extra money off his ideas, but it sounds like this is where he makes his money now…not is real estate. I mean….really, how much money does one person actually need? Does he or does he not sell real estate anymore?
February 27th, 2007 at 11:49 amKimi,
He does both.
“I mean….really, how much money does one person actually need?”
Are you serious?
February 27th, 2007 at 12:41 pmHelen,
February 27th, 2007 at 1:47 pmI think anyone reading your post will be completely confused as to what you are talking about. ” Just like a kid on a hockey team”, ” just like a child pulling pigtails”….what are you talking about ??? Yes, I’m selling real estate. I’d love to go up against you on a listing appointment. You make no point in you post, your arguement has absolutely nothing to do with my posts, and you pull them all together with these 3rd grade level analogy’s. You obviously didn’t understand that I did try this system and found it not to my liking. So how you can make the leap from that to anyone who didn’t like this system or that it didn’t work for them are “lazy” I find pretty obnoxious. Kind of like the story of the king with no clothes. Why can’t it just not be for everyone? Why do you have to sit in judgement and call people lazy if the system didn’t work for them. Let’s keep in mind that I also implemented this system 1 1/2 years ago, in a very strong seller’s market. It is possible that this system or any other wasn’t going to do near as well as in a nomral market because sellers just weren’t calling anyone or asking anyone for help. It was just too damn easy to sell on their own. On a final note, I’d rather be lazy than ignorant.
Oh Hellen,
One more thing…” you think you are so smart selling this on Ebay, hoping Craig would respond” . What on earth are you talking about???? I bought this system, didn’t like it, went to sell it on Ebay. MILLIONS of people sell things they don’t want or need on Ebay all the time. Are you saying I was hoping that Craig would contact Ebay and have my listing removed because they claim I purchased a license to use only ? I was never told this item was licensed at any time during the sale, or after the sale. There was no information with the product stating it was licensed to use only, and that I coudn’t sell it later if I wanted to. Once my listing was pulled, with a legally binding contract in the form of a high bidder, I filed a counter notice because I knew I did nothing wrong and I didn’t purchase or agree to any license to use only. ” I was hoping for Craig would respond “. Are you serious? One last time. There is something in the good ol’ USA called the First Sale Doctrine, that allows anyone to resell something after it was purchased legally and not duplicated. When you go to sell you Lawn Gnome collection you’ll be excersing your First Sale Doctrine right to do so….unless the manufacturer of that little cement elf claims they stuck a piece of paper in the box it came in stating that you were licensed to put this on your lawn only and that you can’t sell it if you wanted. Wouldn’t that be ironic?
February 27th, 2007 at 2:04 pmHelen….I am serious about how much does one person need to make? Maybe you are totally money oriented but I am not. I do not compete with my sales agents because I want them to make money. I have a great life and am satisfied with most aspects of it. I am interested in the system for my agents benefit….but I am not going to charge them for making them more successful. I am looking for a system that will draw more business to us as a team, but I feel responsible for their incomes, that is what motivates me. To tell you the truth….the more I read about the system I feel like it is stuff I am already trying to implement for my agents. Maybe not all aspects but a lot of them….I just don’t want to be stalked to buy products all the time.
February 27th, 2007 at 3:09 pmSorry I was talking to Eric not Helen, my mistake.
February 27th, 2007 at 3:10 pmKimi the Commie
February 27th, 2007 at 3:20 pmFunny…..I thought that was the whole idea….someone said Craig’s not about how much he makes….but the quality of time he now spends with his family. He himself writes that before this program he didn’t have time for a family. I like making money…but not at the expense of my kids time. If managed well….you can have almost anything you want, but it is not worth anything without my family.
February 27th, 2007 at 3:29 pmKimi the Commie ! That’s funny ! However I happen to agree with Kimi the Commie. Sorry Kimi, you’ve got me on your side. I’m the target of all this anger here, so if you’re not up for it I understand, and I’ll go it alone ! I’ve had followers of “The System” ( from now on we’ll call them followers, Shills, Lacky’s and the like are such ugly terms )call me in this post; Lazy,Loser,Childish, etc. All because I stated my opinion that I didn’t like this program. Now more than one of the Poster’s have “admitted” that they were “encouraged” to post. Were they encouraged to call anyone who posts here that didn’t appreciate this system “loser”, or “lazy”. ? I also wonder from a company that is supposidly so great at marketing, why are they fueling this blog by having so many confrontational clients blog here. This blog is now #4 in a Google search of Craig Proctor. Does it fall under the category of any press is good press? I don’t think so. If anyone takes the time to read every post, it is clear that one side is being geniune and MOST of the other side is, let’s say, “biased”. I would have stopped posting after my first post, however I feel compelled to defend myself against the barrage of attacks on my character. When will you guys realize that the more you post, and the more you mention Craig Proctor, the higher this blog goes in the search engines. AND THIS IS REALLY IT FOR ME, I’m done with it. Last post for me. Take all the shots you want. I’ll check back and see what’s up, but I’m done with this non-sense. Helen, good luck selling those Lawn Gnomes. Kimi, you’re my favorite commie, and I mean that. I’m taking my rusty car now over to my second job at Burger Hutt to flip some fries. Good luck to you all ! Happy St. Patrick’s Day !!!
February 27th, 2007 at 3:54 pmI am another guy whos had his ebay listing pulled (even though a ton have been listed and sold since including some with a years worth of training with them). Anyway here is my experience with quantum leap.
February 28th, 2007 at 7:42 amI bought it in Jan of 06 and followed step by step the plan laid out in the program. Ads, 800numbers etc with very little results from it. Now mind you I am on Long Island which has a very savvy jaded client and customer base so after a few months I decided to try the success websites.
First I went with the branded site and a fairly heavy pay per click ad campaign (for me anyway) of about $400-600 a month and it was generating nothing but bills from google and yahoo.
So realizing what type of prospect I was dealing with I switched to the unbranded site and upped the pay per click revenue and the leads started pouring in.
Great! finally I can be like all the guys who come on the “free” conference calls to tell me about all the millions there making man o man was I excited.
Then a funny thing happened, as I started calling the leads (at least the ones who gave me a number) I soon discovered that for the most part they were all crap. There is a REASON they opt in to an unbranded site. They just want to glom the free info without dealing with anyone and just becuase you now have there contact information there opinion hasnt changed.
So, all that being said in the course of a year I did generate about 290 leads at a cost of (including the web site) 8-10 grand.
My conversion rate on those leads were less then 1% becuase for the most part they are CRAP. I did do enough buisness to cover all my costs and make a little on but it was hardly worth the excercise. So I have pulled the plug on the site this month cancelled all the pay per click and will regroup my marketing campaign.
Now I am not a big shot agent I am only in the business less then 2 years and I did just under 8 mill in gcc last year but only about 500k of that was becuase of Quantum Leap.
I think in other parts of the country where people arent so much like crazy New Yorkers you can probably do better.
I did get tired of the constant hawking of wares on the conference calls, I would sometimes get called 2-3x a week to try to get me to go to the super conference.
I think the end game is to get you to invest about 25 grand to get all the information and training that is available and for me that just isnt going to happen.
Also I find alot of the marketing materials a bit dated to the mid 90’s example telling people your going to put listings in the mail from them when everyone and their mother has an idx link on there site not to mention the mls boards national sites etc. Some of that dated marketing might go over with old folks who dont own a computer but not with the people I am dealing with. So the bottom line is it can work, it has worked well for some and not for others but It is very market dependent and you better be ready to spend a hell of a lot more then 800 bucks to find out. Oh by the way if anyone wants mine just reply with an email and I will get back to you.
Oh 1 correction it was 8 mill in sales not gcc lol
February 28th, 2007 at 7:44 amSo this post got interesting. What I don’t get is why those that claim to have done well with the system have attacked Ken (the other one) and others that clearly didn’t find the system to be worth the money. Any child can call names, try posting some useful facts.
Here are some. I purchased the system, the call capture, went to the conference, purchased ads, the whole nine yards and made nothing…not a penny in return. After dropping as much money as I did I should have had at least $100k in returns based on my expected marketing ROI.
I am very good at converting leads, the problem was there weren’t any leads to follow up with. Classifieds are dead and have been for years. The Proctor website is a joke and doesn’t provide what a ready prospect wants. People looking for real estate on the web want one thing, LISTINGS.
Anyways people save your money and go buy the book “The Millionaire Real Estate Agent” by Gary Keller and you will have a better system laid out for you from a $20 book then Craig Proctor will ever put in front of you. The extra money you saved can cover your car payment for the next year or two.
February 28th, 2007 at 10:23 amO.K., when more, but this is it ! Thanks Ken ! You know that Ken means handsome…my mom told me that. And Rich, I filed what’s called a Counter Notice thru Ebay. You can get it through the Vero department. The company has 14 days to file an injunction against you or ebay “allows” you to relist it. I believe that I had every right to sell this item, as I was never told at any point I was buying a License only. You do what you feel is best for you, but if they start filing lawsuits against everyone selling this on Ebay Craigs going to be sueing someone every week. At last check there were 3 for sale on Ebay, and about 10 that sold in the last 3 weeks. I’m sure all satisfied customers who just didn’t want all the clutter around the house. Good luck.
February 28th, 2007 at 11:52 amKen if you would be so kind please post the result of the counter notice when you get a decision. It’s infuriating to see all the other systems being sold on ebay including one right now thats over $1700.00 with a years worth of training materials.
Ken Smith, I have had that book sitting on my shelf unread for over a year, I think I’ll crack it open right now.
February 28th, 2007 at 5:36 pmHi Rich,
I filed the counter-notice, they didn’t respond, Ebay put my auction back up and the item is sold. That’s how it works in America. It’s easy to “say” that this is a licsensed item, and then, in my opinion, illegally and randomly cause legitimate autctions to be terminated. Then not respond to the person trying to sell the item, only sending a single e-mail stating the item is copyrighted and not for resale. Well duh !( as my daughter would say a year or so ago when it was fashionable to say it ) Virtually everything produced these days is copyrighted and patented. That doesn’t mean it can’t be resold by the original purchaser. I was not told I was buying a license, I received no information in my package about this being a license or not being able to resell it. None whatsoever. If you were made aware of it Rich then you may have a problem. ( although I don’t think so, because the kind of control they are attempting here I don’t believe is legal. You can’t control the secondary market, and since this isn’t software of any kind, I think they’d have a hard time both proving that they are making their customers aware that THEY consider this a license to use and not a purchase, and also that they made every effort to let the consumer know that they were buying a liscense to use only. I also wonder what the conditions of this so called license to use might be? Can they revoke it? Can they just claim their was another piece of paper in the box that stated the liscense to use was only for 1 year? or 3 years, and has to be renewed. Sounds crazy but the first time I heard anything about a license was when my auction to sell it was pulled. Rich, did they ever mention a license to use only when you bought yours? Was one in the package? If I were you I’d file the counter notice. But that’s up to you. Good Luck.
March 1st, 2007 at 5:11 amNo they never mentioned any licensing at all do you have the link to file the counter-notice I was having a hard time finding it. I can find the link to file but not to counter.
Thanks
March 1st, 2007 at 1:40 pmHi Rich,
It wasn’t a link. What I had to do was go to Ebay support and ask for a counter notice form to be e-mailed to me. If you still have the notice that ebay sent you stating that your auction was removed you can probably reply to that. As a last resort check out another ebayer that goes under the name of Tabberone. You can also check ebay blogs under VERO. Tabberone is the one who advised me to do the counter notice. She has done it many times against BIG companies who pulled her listings. She always sues first and then files the counter notice. She has everything detailed on her ebay store site. I think it’s called Tabby’s something. But check under Tabberone. She calls it Tabby’s Hall of Shame. She details all the letters she’s received, all the suits she has filed, including all her correspondences with the CEO’s of these larger corporations. She makes clothes from fabric she buys that often have cartoon characters and such on them. These companies claimed that she couldn’t use their characters on her clothes and pulled her listings. She’s won in court around 15 times. That’s what got me to get off my butt and file the counter notice. Not only does you listing get pulled but you get a black mark on you Ebay record that doesn’t get removed unless you file the counter notice or the VeRO ( verified rights owner) removes the complaint. I was getting ready to open my Ebay store, so I couldn’t have this on my record. No one knows if they suspend your account after 2 complaints, or 3 or 5. So you don’t want them there, especially if you are sure you did nothing wrong. Good Luck !
March 1st, 2007 at 2:01 pmRich I don’t care what level your business is at the book will help you.
March 1st, 2007 at 2:07 pmI will get the counter notice form today. In the meantime I have listed it on amazon so if anyone is interested click here.
March 2nd, 2007 at 5:43 amThanks guys…..all the info I have read has made my decision easy. I am not buying the system. I do not have the capitol to keep investing and I do not want to be hounded everyday to buy the next step. I only have time to read this thread every 3rd day or so. I mean really, if I just spent the money they want on the ads I already know are working then I would be fine. Oh, yeah…..Ken S. I would like to go this weekend and get the book you mentioned. Something that gives me a fresh perspective is all I was looking for to begin with. I feel like I am a good agent and will do better with experience and feel it is important to keep educating yourself to be the best in your trade. From the very start I felt like I could find a smater way to work and not be a slave away from my family. But I do not feel like being a slave to a system and sales pitches either. Reading this thread has opened my eyes to the fact that I know myself well enough that I would just stay irritated if I had to deal with that during my time away from the office. I truly love Real Estate and do not mind the clients that call before 7A.M or after 8P.M But I have zero tolerance for sales calls during my time at home.
March 2nd, 2007 at 9:01 amThanks again for your helpful comments.
Kimi (far from a commie)
Kimi The Millionaire Real Estate Agent was written after interviewing hundreds of the nations top agents. We are talking about agents doing hundreds of transactions.
They break down your business into levels and it shows you how to keep advancing to the next one. Shows you the critical hires you need to make to keep advancing, how to lay out your business plan, and so much more.
I have talked with a lot of agents that have read the book and they all get something different out of it. Each time I read the book again there is something different that stands out. The reason for this is your business is always at a different level so you take what you need at that time.
March 2nd, 2007 at 9:42 amSounds exactly what I am looking for. I am just starting my own Brokerage and am looking for good Support for myself and my agents. I feel like they need to know I want to invest in their success.
March 2nd, 2007 at 10:19 amAny helpfull advise is always welcome.
wow what a forum. Lets clear up a few things that original call that jim or ken wrote about I was on it. or should I say I was on the correct call. He has several calls per day and I think what happenned is you got on a different call. So, you would be correct that the information you got would have been wrong. They give you a chance to ask questions on these calls you should have taken advantage of that and you would have realized he didnt “lie”. Yes he has people going on listing appointments and buyer appointments for him for the simple fact that when you sell 400-500 homes a year you have to have “leverage” you cant do everything yourself. He still makes calls and speaks to clients. That is partially why his system is so good because he IS STILL SELLING REAL ESTATE. He makes more money selling real estate the he does with the super conference. The system is solid. I dont know of another system that you can make as much money and work less. The services that are offered are not offered at an inflated price. He is just offering the same service that he uses so you can you use his system. There is no next step Craig offers an a-z real estate system he plugs his seminar on the call because the conference call is just a tiny tid bit of what his system really does. the bottom line if you want to make 7 figures in real estate this is the guy to talk to. the millionaire real estate agent is right along the lines of what proctor does as well its a great book but it just gives you guidlines. I use craigs system and I went from consistantly carrying 6 listings and now carry about 30 I am in the Los Angeles area and can answer any question regarding his system. There is no other system that can deliver the massive results that the Quantum leap system.
March 2nd, 2007 at 12:47 pmI am shocked at this blog. I am new to real estate (very new). I have been with ReMax for 1 month. I saw the ad for Craig Proctor’s system in the Realtor Mag. & was very interested so I thought that I would read a little about Craig & his system before I spent more money. Does the system work & is it good for a new agent? All I have been doing lately is writing checks & have not had one deposit (do to no transactions). I’m at a lost & have kids to feed! If anyone has any advice or if the system really does work please let me know the truth! As I said, I don’t have much money but if the system works - my American Express is already paying my bills now so it can handle one more charge. Give advice. Thanks!!!!!
March 4th, 2007 at 4:27 pmTammy it produces mixed results. But it can and does obviously work for some better then others. You can read my expreience above and then read others that have had better and worse results.
If you want to try it you can buy mine on amazon for alot less then it will cost you new and if it doesnt work out for you sell it on Ebay for what you paid for it.
That reduces your risk to almost zero.
Good Luck
March 5th, 2007 at 5:05 amRich
Tammy….I am in quite the same position as you. But after reading up on Craig, I feel like my money would be well spent on advertising my business myself. I truly have count the cost and do not feel I can justify the money they are asking when I still will be doing a lot of the things I already do, plus more advertising. I am going to start advertising more and see what happens. If you would like to talk more, let me know and I will leave you my e-mail.
March 5th, 2007 at 10:46 amI have purchased the program, ran the ads EXACTLY how it said, purchased the hotline and the website, and have had some fairly poor results. I am going to re test it in the spring to see if that improves my relults, but so far this has just not delivered. I did attend one of the mini seminars’s 3 weeks ago in AZ. It was basically a half day version of the “Live” trainning calls. Huge sales pitch at the end etc. I am thinking of going to one of the superconferences this summer if the new testing produces more success. One thing I would like you all to try if you are thinking about purchasing the program (when I tried it it made me sick because it feels like I got cheated). Get on the “Live” calls, and get into the que to ask a question. It will not work. I know because I have been on about 15 and have tried to ask a question every time, never worked. Furthermore, in listening to all of these calls, they started to repeat themselves, A.K.A they are recordings. Very disheartoning.
Mark
March 6th, 2007 at 3:48 pmAlso, I am not by any means trying to bash the system, this is just MY account of things that happpened. I do know of an agent in Minnesota who uses the system with success. Trust me I pray that I am wrong when I try it again.
Mark
March 6th, 2007 at 4:23 pmTo Tammy:
So sorry to hear your frustration. Many Realtors who have bought Craig’s system complain about how expensive it is (esp with all the add-ons you have to keep buying and buying); I also know part of it is based on some outdated methods like classified ads and websites that could get you banned in the search engines. That is not to say an agent could not make money with it - there are agents who claim it works for them. But I think there are more effective and less expensive systems out there.
Just starting in the business can be tough and I am sure there are several systems that may work for you.
You might try Mike Ferry’s system - if you are strapped for cash, just get the script books rather than the coaching. The basic premise is that you call, knock doors, and network everywhere to drum up business. FSBOs and Expireds can be a great source of business. These techniques cost only your time.
When you do have some funds, you could try the Millionaire Real Estate Agent strategies. Farm mailings and other things can be very effective over time. And there are alot of other GOOD systems that won’t break your wallet.
And don’t forget the MOST important thing: a great, lead-generating, search-engine-friendly website - for only $97 per month, you can have a Famous Blogsite (shameless plug).
March 6th, 2007 at 6:29 pmThank you everyone. I’ve been in RE since August ‘06 (what great timing eh?) and have sold one whole house. YeeHaa! Anyway, I’ve listened in on Craig’s calls and yes they are obviously canned. I get daily emails about the calls and superconferences yada yada yada, just the kind of salesperson I don’t want to be. I do have the Keller book and have read bits and pieces. Guess it’s time to read it cover to cover and use it as my Bible.
Has anyone worked for the likes of ZipRealty or any of the other website centered brokers that say they give you 2-5 leads a day? I’d love to hear about others experiences with that business model. Oooh, maybe this isn’t the right forum for that?
Anyway Tammi & Kimi, I think your idea about money in advertising instead of more really expensive training makes sense.
Good luck to all of us!
March 6th, 2007 at 6:41 pmHolly
The bottom line is this is a friend making business, network make enough friends, have the guts to chase fsbos and expireds mail a farm and service like a mad man and with a little luck you will build a referal base. If you can do that you can make it. There is a reason that on average only 40 out of 1000 people who get there real estate license are still in the business 5 years later. And becuase of that there are zillions of so called “trainers” and people with systems out there selling suckers like us hope.
March 7th, 2007 at 5:05 amDid you ever notice the top producers in your office are for the most part referral agents. Do you really think people who always have 10-20 listings are going to “superconferences” would you?
Anyway nice group of people in here and I wish us ALL the best of luck in this nutty business.
Someone earlier mentioned Mike Ferry. Does anyone have a comment on his program?
I do pretty good in sales and have considered one of these coaching programs to not only reinforce what’s known but to be held accountable and given that necessary push from time to time. In this slow market, it’s easy to get lazy. I just got off the 1pm call with Craig and felt it was too canned so tend to agree more with all the other comments on this blog.
Holly mentioned lead companies. Stay away from them especially if they have you pay upfront. Holly, you need to take advantage of the slow market and attend classes at your board. Hopefully your Broker provides training too. If not, you may want to find one that will…you do give them money, make them earn it too. If you plan on advertising, be prepared to track your advertising dollar. IF anyone calls you, first question, “How did you hear about me”. I can almost promise you it won’t be from an ad. In RE the business will not come to you…you have to go get it. There is no such thing as an easy buck in this field. Spend the money on education, get your GRI. Get out in the world and let everyone know you are in RE and ask your friends and family to spread the word and bring you business. The one house you sold is your start…have that person send you business. You have to ask for the business. It will come but you have to want it.
March 7th, 2007 at 1:17 pmI just finished going through all the blogs here and I have a question. Craig obviously sells several different programs that all build on one another. Does one really have to buy everything in order to be successful (The basic course, the seminar, the coaching, the Platinum program, are there others?) Is it unrealistic to expect to buy the basis course and succeed without going any further?
I am convinced that the material is worthwhile, but I don’t have unlimited funds. Should I look elsewhere?
Thanks.
March 8th, 2007 at 11:58 amI am thankful for all the advice I have recieved by readying this blog. I am like Holly, I started in Aug. ‘06. I really love this business and I don’t want to have to haggle and beg to make it. I have sold 8 properties, with things just now starting to pick back up. I like trying to keep about 5 or 6 deals in my pipeline at a time.( I don’t feel experienced enough for more than that yet.) Word of mouth has been my best source of business thus far. I also have found a new home business that is awsome that helps me sustain between closings. I am a very big skeptic because I have spent a lot of money when I was younger trying to find that perfect home business. Now that I found it I truly get to do the things that I want to. I sell real estate, have time for my children and grandchildren, Plus me and my husband can travel and do some of the things I was not able to do before. Being a very domestic woman, I didn’t ever feel right about having a 9-5 job away from home and kids. Now I have everything I want and am getting to pursue Real Estate also.
March 8th, 2007 at 12:24 pmAnyone interested in learning my tricks can contact me at kimiroyer@hotmail.com
I have a truley wonderful life and found it by making sure that I investigated every thing I did and then prayed about it earnestly.
THANK YOU CRAIG, MY BUSINESS TRIPLE SINCE I STARTED USING YOUR PROGRAM AND FOR THE MONEY THAT I PAID FOR IT IT’S NOTHING I GOT MY MONEY WORTH THOUSANDS TIME
March 8th, 2007 at 3:29 pmHolly-
Regarding buying internet leads, I don’t recommend it. We did it in the beginning and they were terrible leads.
I don’t know anything specific about Zip (and feel free to talk about anything G-rated and real estate related here).
I just had dinner with a Realtor friend who worked for another real estate company that gave him leads. The leads were so bad that he is now earning a living as an EMT. I guess that gives you a good picture, huh?
March 8th, 2007 at 11:44 pmLouise-
Great post. Thanks for the good advice. Yes, getting business the hard way (talking to folks on the phone or at their door… ahhhhh) is tough, but it does bring in business quickly.
And other things take time such as farming and getting your website to the top of the search engines — but, these things really pay off down the road.
I agree with your recommendation on education. This is absolutely necessary - both for bettering ourselves and for serving our clients better.
March 8th, 2007 at 11:49 pmRegarding Mike Ferry - my husband went from another new licensee to a man with several (sold) listings fairly quickly with this system when he first started in the business. Yes, he cold-called and door-knocked and visited expireds and FSBOs. (Not exactly my cup of tea, but then that’s what makes me a better buyer’s agent and a great support for him.)
You can do it on your own, but it’s nice to have the tried and true scripts. You can also find someone in your office to “role-play” the scripts with you.
Similar scripts are also available from several different books and trainers as well.
March 8th, 2007 at 11:55 pmRelating to the Craig Proctor cronies, fans, obligated customers, etc. that have posted on this blog (likely because Craig asked you to)…
I thought about picking apart all the rude, unprofessional, and moronic comments many of the Proctor fans made here — but I’ve decided otherwise.
I do want to thank Barb Schlinker, Ralph Wiber, and Bryan Pellican for posting a professional comment about your personal experience with Craig Proctor’s systems and for not stooping to “childish” levels just because others did not have the same experience or may disagree.
Jim and I appreciate your thoughts and thank you for maintaining those ethical standards all of us Realtors are supposed to hold dear.
March 9th, 2007 at 12:09 amAnd thanks to Rich for the insightful and factual post about your experience with Craig’s sytem.
And thanks to Ken Smith for bringing us all back on point about what clients really want (for those who don’t know, Ken Smith is a highly intelligent & very successful Realtor - not someone who didn’t know how to use the system correctly).
And thanks to Ken (the other one) for being such a good sport amongst the conflict. You are my hero and I have enjoyed reading your thought-provoking and humorous posts.
(Sorry, I’m playing catch-up because I’ve been away for a family emergency. I’ll stop now lest I feel like I’m winning a grammy and have to say thanks again…)
March 9th, 2007 at 12:18 amAndrea,
Thanks for the support !
I’ll agree with you on Ralph, as he stated his opinion without degrading those that didn’t like the system, and didn’t seem to have an agenda. If you look back Andrea, Bryan P. added at the end of his post that “this system will work if you are SMART ENOUGH and willing to WORK HARD enough”. In other words, if this system didn’t work for you then your are stupid and/or Lazy. I don’t find that constructive, do you? ( If you don’t see the kings clothes then you must be an idiot.) I’m neither an idiot nor lazy, and I found this system to be exactly as I described it above. Now Barb I’m on the fence on, but it concerns me that she mentioned at the end about the 30 day money back guarantee and that she did receive the paper saying you can’t resell it. First off, the aforementioned piece of paper (Liscense agreement) doesn’t say you can’t resell it. It states that this information ” is not to be shared with non-members”. Which is fair in my opinion. Completely uninforceable, but fair. In other words they don’t want a broker buying it and making copies for any agent that wants one. ( I’m sure it happens, but I’m assuming that is what Craig was trying to avoid ) However even IF the “License Agreement” stated that you can’t resell it, I don’t believe he could prevent you from doing it anyway. You can’t over-ride the “First Sale Doctrine” by inventing your own “law”. My opinion, but I think it’s completely valid. Last point, she also stated that Craig “does honor his 30 day money back guarantee”. How does Barb know this? I’m not saying he doesn’t, I’m sure he does, but how does she know this? Hmmmmmm I might be getting a bit picky on Barb, but if she wrote that his does “offer” this guarantee, that would make sense. Unless she answers the phones at customer service over there, or knows someone who did return it, she doesn’t KNOW anything about what they do or don’t honor. ( however I’m sure he does. Problem is there is so much info. here, and phone calls to go in on, and ads to place, and phone lines to buy, it would be almost impossible in my opinion to decide in that amount of time if it’s going to work for you. )
Anyway, I know where your heart was Andrea, so thanks. But I think even if we give Barb the benefit of the doubt here, Bryan P. can’t be included as posting professionally when he considers those who didn’t like the system to not be smart or not willing to work hard.
Anyone know how to unsubscribe from this ? I’ve cliced the e-mails about 10 times and then I get another message about this post. “every time I think I’m out they keep pulling me back in ! ”
take care all.
March 9th, 2007 at 9:30 amKen
Very true, Ken. I’ll give you that one on Brian P’s last sentence. It did imply an attitude, which he should not have done. I was just so thrilled he didn’t stoop the the others’ level that I thanked him for that. So… aside from your last sentence, Bryan, thanks for being professional in your post.
And I understand what you are saying about the 30 day guarantee. Sounds like a joke - as an example, some ads require 30 days in advance to run! If Craig’s system is really that great, he’d allow folks time to test it properly.
March 9th, 2007 at 12:08 pmthere seems to be alot of speculation on this blog. To all the NEW agents. the craig proctor system works! bottom line. there are 1000’s of agents making 6-7 figures with this system. if you you tried it and it didnt work its not the system it is you. Classified ads are not out dated. I advertise there all the time and I get a ton of leads. I have been on those conference calls and I have gotten through I know many people who have gotten through. If anyone has questions on this system I ask you to call me or email me, especially if you are having trouble with the system. I have put alot of effort into it and have figured it out. it is very easy to do. The one thing that most people on this blog dont realize is that craig proctor has an entire Real Estate system, from what ads to run, to how to market your properties get price reductions, write offers, hire agents hire staff, and what tools to use to do it with, does mike ferry do that? is ferry even selling real estate? NO. Craig still has an office and he still sells real estate over 500 houses a year doing exactly what everyone here is saying doesnt work. He shows you how to build a team and a business! so you can sell a riduculouse amount of houses. If your a new agent this is the perfect system for you because your not contaminated with “the way things are currently being done” I have expireds, FSBOS and foreclosure listings calling me. My entire client base calls me first. (how many of you would like that) Nobody hanging up the phone on you and everyone waiting for you to call them back, yeah its nice. I get about 150 calls a day and I have a really tough market. I had my first listing from my website within the first 30 days which yeilded a 10,000 check. If you are running an ad that takes 30 days in advance to run you are running it in the wrong place and probably spending to much money. I spend a minimal amount on advertising and carry around 30 listings at any given time. The bottom line is the system works! there is MAJOR 7 figure proof that it does and no one can dispute that no matter what you say on this blog. if it doesnt work. maybe the system isnt for you. maybe working really hard and spending more time/money working IN your business and not at home with your family or doing somthing fun is your preference. If the system didnt work for you it is because you fell short of making it work it wasant the system!
March 12th, 2007 at 11:51 am150 lead calls a day huh. With that sort of incredible volume I am sure you wouldnt mind disclosing your office to us would you? Im sure all of us “losers who should be doing something else” would love to hear how you average 6.25 leads per hour every hour of the day 365 days a year. Who needs Craig Proctor? we need the Frank system!
March 12th, 2007 at 1:40 pm150 lead ca